IF birol was to move to the USA
pro's
finding a job, sooner
VA area homes are less expensive then most places
camping for 7 to 9 months of the yrs
camping all around you
being closer to the rallies
being closer to most of us
less snow!
warmer temps
lots of nice places to visit
cost are normally lower for things
cons
leaving your country
leaving your family and friends
up-rooting your kids
free medical insurance
Another CON:
Sell and buy yet ANOTHER house!!
Just the thought makes me cringe - not birol moving here, but to sell/buy! Never again for me!! :)
Cheaper PU's and ability to transfer into your name without the worry of inspection crossing the boarder.
I just wish it was easy to move ..... We would relocate no problems with that. I ned a job to move via NAFTA ..... and there are no job offers :(
Quote from: birolI just wish it was easy to move ..... We would relocate no problems with that. I ned a job to move via NAFTA ..... and there are no job offers :(
What is your "trade" ?With all of us maybe we could find you a job!!
Computer engineer .... If I had a trade, I swear I would have found a job already !
Quotecons
leaving your country
leaving your family and friends
up-rooting your kids
free medical insurance
leaving your country
He's done that before - Turkey!leaving your family and friends
Dittoup-rooting your kids
Bummerfree medical insurance
No Contest (but a good job would have good ins bennies!!!)
Yes, plenty of VERY low cost use Pu's in this area too!
Quote from: birolComputer engineer .... If I had a trade, I swear I would have found a job already !
Birol,
I have alot of friends in the Computer business and if you are serious about a possible move, maybe I can help. I'm a Senior Server Systems Admin and have been doing that for about 22 years now. I have lots of contacts.
If you are interested in seeing what the market holds for you down here, email me your resume and I'll get it out to my friends. They do recruiting and placements.
You never know what may happen unless you try.
Loadedcamera, it will be on its way to you today, I just want to go over it once again before sending it.
Uprooting the kids is a big bummer, but I am sure they will adjust.
medical insurance --- If The job doesn't pay for it, or if it is not easily covered, A very very big bummer. I read on this board how much some of you have to pay !
Quote from: LoadedCameraBirol,
I have alot of friends in the Computer business and if you are serious about a possible move, maybe I can help. I'm a Senior Server Systems Admin and have been doing that for about 22 years now. I have lots of contacts.
If you are interested in seeing what the market holds for you down here, email me your resume and I'll get it out to my friends. They do recruiting and placements.
You never know what may happen unless you try.
Quote from: LoadedCameraBirol,
I have alot of friends in the Computer business and if you are serious about a possible move, maybe I can help. I'm a Senior Server Systems Admin and have been doing that for about 22 years now. I have lots of contacts.
If you are interested in seeing what the market holds for you down here, email me your resume and I'll get it out to my friends. They do recruiting and placements.
You never know what may happen unless you try.
If you have any contacts this way, let me know. DH is also in that field. He's been an IT Project Manager....most recently with GE. He's been unemployed 4 times in the past 5 years. The field is starting to s^ck.
I am telling my son not go to the computer field ...... But to concentrate on other areas .......
Wow...I didn't realize it was that bad in other places. I know things slowed down here for awhile, but the degreed computer folks seemed to still find things. The market has seemed to improve quite a bit recently though. My son is still in college completing his Computer Engineering degree and he already has a job here paying more than I make. They let him work whenever he's home from school on breaks and gave him a laptop and cell phone to take to school in case they really need him for something. We have a hard time finding really good folks with Computer Engineering degrees. Don't discourage him from a computer degree...just maybe point him in a different location! ;>
I think it is worse in Canada, and especially me. I was caught in between a jump from technical word to management (Which I had done years and years ago, but I had to do once again because we were new to Canada). So I don't have many technical skills to depend on and nobody wants to hire me as a manager ..... So here I am in third year of unemployment ......
Wow..that really stinks.... yeah, our managers and employees here are all disgustingly technical. I'm probably the least technical person on our contract. I take care of the people..I don't care about the computers, or how they work or writing programs...etc.... ;>
Quote from: angelsmom10If you have any contacts this way, let me know. DH is also in that field. He's been an IT Project Manager....most recently with GE. He's been unemployed 4 times in the past 5 years. The field is starting to s^ck.
Angel,
I'm not sure about the Ohio area, but I can surely forward any resumes off to my friends in the field. Their list of contacts branches out further than mine. I just push them into the flow!
You are more then welcome to send me his resume and I will forward them off to my friends and contacts...
Quote from: birolI am telling my son not go to the computer field ...... But to concentrate on other areas .......
I agree! I've been doing this for over 22 years and the field has gotten so populated now. Its hard to make the big money anymore. You have to sacrifice family and friends to prove that you are a keeper.
When I first began in the IT field, it was wide open and I was getting 10 calls a day from contract firms wanting me to work for them. I could write my own ticket back then. Now, its months, or in Birols' case, years, between jobs.
The market has swung a bit over the last couple of months in certain areas of the country, but it is still not easy.
I wish the best of luck for anybody that is looking right now.
go to india, thats were our jobs went to in the computer field!
Birol, maybe you should apply for a goverment job. You can speak several languages and your great at computers. I would think it would be a huge plus for you. Or look for an international company that works in Turkey, the US, Canada, etc. Anybody know any computer companies like that?
Quote from: Acts 2:38 girlBirol, maybe you should apply for a goverment job. You can speak several languages and your great at computers. I would think it would be a huge plus for you. Or look for an international company that works in Turkey, the US, Canada, etc. Anybody know any computer companies like that?
I'm sure there are several if you can figure out where they are..... here's one
http://www.kontron.com/careers/crpositions.cfm Also---Motorola, HP, Honeywell, Messier-Dowty, General Dynamic (gdcanada.com)....to name a few....
The difficult part is finding one in the right place, with the right job available, and the right salary! :>
If one doesn't have insider connection at a company, it is next to impossible to get a job is what I am thinking .... All (and that is just a few) the interviews I had were arranged my friends working at places. I did not get one single interview based on sending a resume to a company.
WHy I am saying this, unless someone knows a job, and arranges for someone else to get an interview before the job is posted, the chances that that person will get the job is nil. Soo many people who are working and who know someone who needs a job .....
How close is the Turkish language to Arabic? I know the CIA is looking for arabic translators, they aren't that many of them around this part of the world!
Not close at all. We use latin alphabet and it is a young language ... Some words sound similar between arabic and Turkish but the meaning is completely different.
Oh, CIA, yum yum :)
Quote from: Gone-CampingHow close is the Turkish language to Arabic? I know the CIA is looking for arabic translators, they aren't that many of them around this part of the world!
Quote from: dee106go to india, thats were our jobs went to in the computer field!
My last employer is pulling all their technical jobs back from India, the customers kept complaining that although the reps were nice, they couldn't understand them and they weren't ever able to help.
Something about losing customers doesn't help your bottom line if they're leaving because the company is too cheap to pay for local technical and customer support.
Quote from: birolIf one doesn't have insider connection at a company, it is next to impossible to get a job is what I am thinking .... All (and that is just a few) the interviews I had were arranged my friends working at places. I did not get one single interview based on sending a resume to a company.
WHy I am saying this, unless someone knows a job, and arranges for someone else to get an interview before the job is posted, the chances that that person will get the job is nil. Soo many people who are working and who know someone who needs a job .....
It is indeed tougher to get a position without an insider, but not impossible. I have gotten a few jobs without knowing a soul. What one does need is a name to address it to. Remembering, of course, that the job of HR is to stop applicants, not facilitate them.
My resume is so bizarre, I think I get interviews just to find out what the heck it means. What I wish is that I knew what I was going to do when I grow up. I'm looking again although I am employed, but who knows what will happen. I've been laid off twice - I just want to get to retirement and hop off the ride.
I have found a couple of jobs through friends...or friends of friends...but working very closely in my position with our HR and Recruiting departments at both this and my last two positions, we actually find the vast majority of our employees through Monster.com or other online venues. It's actually how I found the position I've been in here for the last 4 years and I STILL get calls and emails every now and then from old online resumes.
I put my resume in so many online boards .... Sigh .... It must be just me ....... or my name ...... or they know I am an addict !
Quote from: birolI put my resume in so many online boards .... Sigh .... It must be just me ....... or my name ...... or they know I am an addict !
You haven't been listening to resume experts, have you? If I had listened the last time to several 'experts', I would have dumbed down my resume and never, ever, have gotten on where I work.
Two experts told me that I should not list having a master's degree because it intimidates people.
When I am hiring, I can read a cover letter and resume in less than a minute. I will immediately see any typos or other errors - they jump out at me. I could care less about what color the paper is, but I can tell whether someone has put thought and effort into writing the cover letter, which should accent what I WANT to see in a prospective applicant.
Online boards to me are scary. Too many people can pull your resume and make it their own. Besides, it is hard to tailor a resume on an open board.
Be real careful on online applications, it will suck in a properly formatted resume and make garbage of it. They're looking for keywords anyhow, but it really destroys your chances. I mail it in to them, at least I stand a chance of someone reading it.
They ( :Z ) made me shorten my resume to three pages ! It doesnt' describe all the fantastic stuff I did/can do anymore, it is a souped up version of a person who looks like a nobody ! My old resume was 7 pages but it at least properly described what I am capable of doing, oh well, I guess no one would read a seven page resume eh :) After all who cares what I did 15 years ago ......
Wow, 7 pages! Perhaps that's why your still unemployed. I've always been told to keep the resume down to one page, two at the outside. The longer it is, the less likely it is anyone is going to read it. When they decide they want that much info, they will call you in for an interview to learn more. More than one page and it's likely to just get tossed aside as too big to read. A resume is just basically a quick referrence quide for the applicant. The prospective employer will go through an entire a stack of them quickly (he can't do 7 pages quickly), putting aside the ones that grab his interest. Then he'll go over THOSE that were set aside again, this time a little more carefully.
Somehow I get the feeling that your resumes are not making it to the first set-a-side pile...Just a guess, but an educated guess!
You misread it, it is now 3 pages, and has been that way since I was layed off ...... We (me and them :Z ) tried to make it down to two pages but the result was not acceptable .... so we decided that 3 pages would have to do .....
Disclaimer : I didn't mean to post a Forum killer post that early at night :) I can't believe no one else posted anything in this forum after 9 pm, the weather is getting good any everyone is sleeping in their PU's in the driveway I guess
I caught the part about it being 3 pages. It still goes against everything I've ever been told (or taught) about resumes. They shouldn't be over one (1) page, plus a cover letter! Resumes that extend to 2 pages are the ones that generally don't get read. I've learned this from the newpaper, as well as the resume builder programs I've had. In every instance, it's "suggested" that a resume should not exceed one (1) page.
I've had to work hard at keeping mine down to one page also (although in recent years no resume would have helped me). Quite frankly, I've done better just applying for jobs than I have using a resume!
There's no way I could keep my resume down to one page but then I am not looking to get a job anywhere. I've been perfectly happy with the one I have been in for the last 25 years. Most of my resume has to do with education, local, state and national professional committee service as well as some offices held, service in local organizations like the Chamber of Commerce and charities. It's important to have some of those listed in a resume or else the folks where you are applying for a job will think you are some kind of recluse without any purpose in life or any social activities......which in turn makes them think you won't fit into the company anywhere. :eek:
I just shredded my resume, this is depressing, can we talk about something else please ?
Birol;
Hope you find the job you want soon..WE want you to get that pop up!! Good luck job hunting.
OK, then Birol. Let's pretend you have your "dream job". Where would you want to live in the US?? Sunny Florida? Out West with the cowboys? Surfin' in California? Leaf peeping in New England? :D
Hmmm, Somewhere not so hot, but a goodd area of FLA would be definitely good ! NC is good too, or Virginia, maybe California ? Then I could be a part oft he nick neff cough'ers :) GA is a nice place too, cheap gas ! These are all places I saw, so I am prejiduiced little bit :)
Quote from: Acts 2:38 girlOK, then Birol. Let's pretend you have your "dream job". Where would you want to live in the US?? Sunny Florida? Out West with the cowboys? Surfin' in California? Leaf peeping in New England? :D
Quote from: birolHmmm, Somewhere not so hot, but a goodd area of FLA would be definitely good ! NC is good too, or Virginia, maybe California ? Then I could be a part oft he nick neff cough'ers :) GA is a nice place too, cheap gas ! These are all places I saw, so I am prejiduiced little bit :)
Sounds like you just need a job traveling.... visit everyone around the country.
There's plenty of jobs for you right here in NC. I see advertisements in the paper all the time for folks with your qualifications.
Birol,
I hope that my friend contacted you about work here in NC... It would be great to have you down this way. I have you in my prayers every day.
QuoteI hope that my friend contacted you about work here in NC... It would be great to have you down this way. I have you in my prayers every day.
Hey, hey, hey...maybe he should live in CT!!! Then we could give your daughter a job babysitting!! ;) ;) I'm not really sure if there is much work here, Isn't that one of the reasons AB moved to MN?? Oh well, at least Loadedcamera can take some pictures for us!! :D
He did call me the same day, I hope he sees something suitable soon, and that it also works out !
Thanks a lot for your help !
Quote from: LoadedCameraBirol,
I hope that my friend contacted you about work here in NC... It would be great to have you down this way. I have you in my prayers every day.
NO WAY Birol!! Would you seriously sell your new house and move to the US?? Man, don't you have enough to do??!! :)
Quote from: Acts 2:38 girlOh well, at least Loadedcamera can take some pictures for us!! :D
I will take as many pictures for you as you want.. Remember, Spring is almost here and I'll be shooting more.. Look for some nice macros of flowers soon..
Loadedcamera, spring is already here. The daffodils are blooming, the saucer magnolias are opening (their blossoms come out before their leaves with nice soft lavendar tones), some of the trees look like they will pop into leaves and the weather is very warm. It looks like most of the cold has left us. Birol, come on down to NC and get a job and live at less cost. Heating and cooling is less expensive and taxes are low.
Quotewill take as many pictures for you as you want.. Remember, Spring is almost here and I'll be shooting more.. Look for some nice macros of flowers soon
How about Lilacs??!! They are my absolute favorites!! :)