If I'm feeling feisty I might make an offer on a new KZ Coyote (16'). The "original" price the dealer is listing is about $18K, but they're selling it for $14,480. Still sounds high, but I don't know how much I can offer without sounding like a fool. What's a good rule of thumb to follow when making an offer? I'd also like to use my PUP as a trade -- I know, I know, I'll take a hit, but again, I think if I do this right it might not be so bad.
Thanks for your help!
Also -- is the Coyote "related" to the Aerolite? Both have 16' models with identical floorplans.
25% off MSRP is usually considered a decent deal. 30% or more off MSRP is usually considered a great deal. I'm assuming the 18K price is already below MSRP. However, 25% off 18K is 13500, and 30% off is 12600. If they are already off the MSRP with the 18K, 14K might not be so bad. Heck, make a silly offer, and see what happens.
OTOH, I have a couple of thoughts that I'm sure will open a can of worms, and some folks will disagree (which is fine, of course).
If and when I buy a trailer, I want the dealer to make a little money. I don't want them to put me on the back burner if I need a repair. I also don't want them to hate dealing with me, if I only bought something that made them to small of an amount.
The other side of this thought is: It is their responsibility to take care of themselves, and make sure they make the right amount on the trailer.
Having grown up in service and sales, the folks that were easier to deal with were often (probably unintentionally) helped more.
Larry
Quote from: AzusateachIf I'm feeling feisty I might make an offer on a new KZ Coyote (16'). The "original" price the dealer is listing is about $18K, but they're selling it for $14,480. Still sounds high, but I don't know how much I can offer without sounding like a fool. What's a good rule of thumb to follow when making an offer?
brainpause has got it just about right (we differ in our description of 25% off, which I consider to be real solid; 30% is a good deal, so we agree there :)).
But there's a stumbling block to making certain you get a good deal; the RV industry does not have to produce MSRP stickers like the car industry does. Therefore, the dealer can, in essence, "make up" a price and say that's the list. And it's legal.
Now, I'm not insinuating this dealer has done anything like that, but if you want to know what the real MSRP is you can contact K-Z. They have a spreadsheet listing the actual "suggested" prices for there units. Once you know the optional features this particular unit has you can price it accordingly and know if 18K is legit.
Quote from: AzusateachAlso -- is the Coyote "related" to the Aerolite? Both have 16' models with identical floorplans.
No, K-Z and Thor are two different companies. Those floorplans are similar (or even identical) for 2 major reasons;
1 - If a manufacture finds a floorplan that the consumer wants, the other manufacturers will copy it.
2 - Realistically, how much can you do in a 16' trailer? There options are a bit limited on where they can place things by the amount of space they have to work with.
Well, call me "taught".
I bit the bullet & made an offer on the coyote, based on what NADA said my PUP was worth & what Brainpause said about the 25%. The salesman I talked with wanted to give me $2000 for my PUP and took NO discount on the Coyote. I was so stunned I said thanks & hung up.
I called back today & spoke with the finance guy, who "educated" me on the way dealers have (?) to price used PUPs. Don't know that I totally agree, but I now understand.
All of this is to say that a Coyote isn't in my near future, and when I decide to get a new trailer, I'll definitely sell my PUP myself.
Whew ...
(Maybe I'll get a motorized lift put on my unit ...)
Don't expect to get a realistic offer over the phone. The dealer doesn't take you seriously unless you show up in person. Once you're there, they'll do practically anything to keep you from leaving without making a deal.
I was there on Saturday, told the salesguy that I needed to think & do some "homework" & I'd call him back. He's the one who blew me off -- the finance guy is the one who gave me the info. Nobody asked me to bring in my PUP to see what it might be worth, so I'm figuring that they're right when they tell me it's not worth it to them to take it in trade & I'd be better off selling it myself.
Geez, it's hard enough trying to keep up with the Deeses, DK&threeses and the Vikingses, but now we've got to keep up with the Azusateacheses too! :eyecrazy:
Good. Maybe it'll get us moving toward a hybrid that much more quickly. I've called the Starcraft dealer that is 5 miles from our house and asked them to call me when they get a new '06 model in so we can "just look" at it. I also want to visit West Coast RVs in Pomona to "just look" at the Roos again--without having to drive all the way out to Beaumont! The last time I told Dave that we were going to an RV dealer to "just look," I had a PU camper in front of my house in under a month. So...what dealer are you going to Laura? :J
Quote from: griffsmomGeez, it's hard enough trying to keep up with the Deeses, DK&threeses and the Vikingses, but now we've got to keep up with the Azusateacheses too! :eyecrazy:
Good. Maybe it'll get us moving toward a hybrid that much more quickly. I've called the Starcraft dealer that is 5 miles from our house and asked them to call me when they get a new '06 model in so we can "just look" at it. I also want to visit West Coast RVs in Pomona to "just look" at the Roos again--without having to drive all the way out to Beaumont! The last time I told Dave that we were going to an RV dealer to "just look," I had a PU camper in front of my house in under a month. So...what dealer are you going to Laura? :J
I thought Dave said you guys were going to a Harley dealer ???;)
Quote from: TheVikingI thought Dave said you guys were going to a Harley dealer ???;)
Interestingly, I've told Dave many times that he can buy a Harley...right after he buys a $1,000,000 life insurance policy with me as sole beneficiary so that I won't lose the house when some driver in a hurry cuts him off and he becomes another sig alert statistic on a Southland freeway.
As you can see, Dave is still Harley-less. And I still have my husband alive and well. Not such a bad trade-off in my opinion.
Yo Quiero Harley!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The price seems awful high to me. I paid $13475 new for my 2004 Trail-Lite Bantam B23S fully loaded with just about every option and it has a slide.
Quote from: chasd60The price seems awful high to me. I paid $13475 new for my 2004 Trail-Lite Bantam B23S fully loaded with just about every option and it has a slide.
Remember, we are in California. If you can live in it, it's gonna cost you.
I was going to post a simliar sentiment, Brian. Things do cost more out here on the left coast. That being said, $14,500 still might be a little on the high side for their smallest floorplan. Laura, do you think you could get them to drop it another thousand? Either that, or maybe they could throw in some extras, if it's not already fully loaded, or give you an extended warranty.
How exciting and nerve-racking all at once. I can't wait to see what you and Brandy show up in at Guajome!!
When Kelly and I were Hybrid "sightseeing" last summer, we'd decided on what we wanted (Jayco 23B) after visiting every hybrid in this region, including brands I'd never heard of (but they often had the exact same floorplan and even "number" name as other brands).
The dealer had the camper listed at over $21K, and from talking, the most he'd do would be maybe like $19++, and this was for a 2005. 2006's were already being sold in the midwest and east, and this 2005 had issues - slide was crooked, black water drain dipped LOWER than the takeout valve, etc.
So, we opted to sell our PUP on our own, first. Since we weren't in a hurry, we did not try to negotiate with the sometimes-absurdly-lowball offers. Finally sold it in August (via Craigslist, to a fellow in Carmel).
A month later was the regional RV show. Bought the 2006 Jayco from the same dealer (only one in this region), for $17. They did not have the hybrid at the show, but gave me "show price".
Moral of the story: RV shows can give you the best deal. Sell your PUP first, and know exactly what brand/floorplan you want before you go to the show.
That's great advice, Glen. The only problem is that we only get one major RV show down here in So Cal and it's not until October. We actually ran into Laura at last year's show. We were checking out the Roos! :)
Quote from: griffsmomGeez, it's hard enough trying to keep up with the Deeses, DK&threeses and the Vikingses, but now we've got to keep up with the Azusateacheses too! :eyecrazy:
Good. Maybe it'll get us moving toward a hybrid that much more quickly. I've called the Starcraft dealer that is 5 miles from our house and asked them to call me when they get a new '06 model in so we can "just look" at it. I also want to visit West Coast RVs in Pomona to "just look" at the Roos again--without having to drive all the way out to Beaumont! The last time I told Dave that we were going to an RV dealer to "just look," I had a PU camper in front of my house in under a month. So...what dealer are you going to Laura? :J
I went to West Coast RV, too. DON'T talk with Ernie. I talked with a guy named Jeff C---? He's the finance guy. Real nice. They had Roos on the lot, but can't remember which one you were looking at, so don't know if it was there.
To those who said $14,800 was high -- it might be. I'd call the manufacturer before buying anything. But the trailer is loaded -- really loaded. I could live in it. (Cats wouldn't be too happy ...)
I'm not going to do anything this season. I'll look again at the Pomona RV show, and maybe think about selling my PUP next year. Maybe by then my confidence in traveling by myself will be higher & I'll want to venture out of the state alone. Then I'd want something I could lock myself in at night if I'm out in the booneys (with Brandy as watchdog). I think that ultimately that's my dream. Might not happen until I retire, but one can hope!
All in all, this has been a good learning experience. The buying & selling of RVs is very, very different than cars (which I consider myself quite good at!).
Lori, if you guys come this way (Pomona), let me know. Maybe we could grab lunch or something!
Guys, the most important thing is to have your financing done ahead of time. Figure out what you want to pay, i.e. that's all I have and if it doesn't close the
deal I'm walking. AMAZING THINGS THEN HAPPEN. If your offer is somwhat reasonable they're not going to let you walk. MAKE SURE YOU KEEP TO YOUR BOTTOM LINE. You may be at the dealership for a while, but they are not going to let you leave. Trust me. Oh yeah, it's winter time. They want to get rid of campers. TRUST ME :). Also don't trade in your Pop up. Sell it privately. Much more $$$$$.
That's my 2 cents.
Quote from: griffsdadGuys, the most important thing is to have your financing done ahead of time. Figure out what you want to pay, i.e. that's all I have and if it doesn't close the
deal I'm walking. AMAZING THINGS THEN HAPPEN. If your offer is somwhat reasonable they're not going to let you walk. MAKE SURE YOU KEEP TO YOUR BOTTOM LINE. You may be at the dealership for a while, but they are not going to let you leave. Trust me. Oh yeah, it's winter time. They want to get rid of campers. TRUST ME :). Also don't trade in your Pop up. Sell it privately. Much more $$$$$.
That's my 2 cents.
so....whaddya saying, Dave? ;)
So, what do you do when you get down to the point where you are, let's say, $500 apart on price? They hit you with their line, "You want this (camper/car/whatever); you don't want to let the deal go down over such a small amount do you?" I'm afraid I always cave in at that point. Lately I've been thinking about using that line myself - on them - before they get to it. Think it would work?
Quote from: SpeakEasySo, what do you do when you get down to the point where you are, let's say, $500 apart on price? They hit you with their line, "You want this (camper/car/whatever); you don't want to let the deal go down over such a small amount do you?" I'm afraid I always cave in at that point. Lately I've been thinking about using that line myself - on them - before they get to it. Think it would work?
I hate that line...and it's hard to deal with it. Anyone have a good comeback?
Larry
Quote from: brainpauseI hate that line...and it's hard to deal with it. Anyone have a good comeback?
Larry
Yeah, Bite Me, then walk.
We could not see eye to eye with the Jayco dealer by our house, so we drove about 100 miles away and ended up saving a couple of thousand dollars, and got a better interest rate. To me that was worth the drive. My 2 theories are this:
#1- Don't be opposed to driving a greater distance to get a better deal, I believe these dealers use the fact that a customer may not want to go farther away, as a tool for them to not drop the price as low as they could.
#2- If you make a deal you like, for a camper you like, just pull the trigger. Why wait? Pull the trigger.
Quote from: brainpauseI hate that line...and it's hard to deal with it. Anyone have a good comeback?
Larry
I would reply that they, as the dealer, can absorb that $500.00 better than my little family of four can and probably make up twice that much, if not more, on the next buyer that comes through the door. I would also point out to them that as my dealer, I would be returning to them for years to come for service and accessories, the mark-up on which would soon cover that $500.00 and then some.
But, the flip side of that situation is that you may not want to tick off the dealer that you would have to work with for warranty items and repairs. If they really get their nose bent out of shape over the $500.00 and hold a grudge about it, it could find its way into an attitude of not really wanting to bend over backwards or go that little extra for you on service.
Then again, you could just take Brian's approach, making friends everywhere you go. ;) :D
Quote from: griffsmomThen again, you could just take Brian's approach, making friends everywhere you go. ;) :D
I have never met a salesman I was doing business with and considered him a friend. His job is to make you assume the position. Sometimes that is the best approach, funny thing is they will call you in a week and see if you are still interested!!!!! LOL
Quote from: griffsmomI would reply that they, as the dealer, can absorb that $500.00 better than my little family of four can and probably make up twice that much, if not more, on the next buyer that comes through the door. I would also point out to them that as my dealer, I would be returning to them for years to come for service and accessories, the mark-up on which would soon cover that $500.00 and then some.
But, the flip side of that situation is that you may not want to tick off the dealer that you would have to work with for warranty items and repairs. If they really get their nose bent out of shape over the $500.00 and hold a grudge about it, it could find its way into an attitude of not really wanting to bend over backwards or go that little extra for you on service.
Then again, you could just take Brian's approach, making friends everywhere you go. ;) :D
I wouldn't be toooooo concerned about the dealer's "After sales attitude". These guys are going to drive the hardest bargain that they can. The bottom line is though, they're not going to give away the farm.
After sales service has zippo to do with sales negotiations. I'm an x-car dealer service manager and I know how this stuff works. I realize that RV dealers are a little different but not that much. Besides, chances are, the salesman that sells you the trailer will be driving taxis or flipping burgers the week after you take delivery.
As long as negotiations are kept business like, you will have NO problems with the after sales service. If things get nasty, they're not going to want you as a customer and you aren't going to want to buy from them. That's the
real bottom line.
Lighten up and have some fun with it. BTW, don't ever let a salesman make you his "friend". Make it perfectly clear that negotiations are courteous and business like.
I wasn't saying to literally make the sales person your friend. I was just being a spongemom smartypants. :cool:
I actually try to make the service dept manager my "friend." ;)
Quote from: TheVikingI have never met a salesman I was doing business with and considered him a friend. His job is to make you assume the position. Sometimes that is the best approach, funny thing is they will call you in a week and see if you are still interested!!!!! LOL
Exactly what happened to me when I bought my van. First dealer wouldn't negotiate and I wouldn't pay the price, so I walked. Found another dealer. Not only did I get a better price, I got a better van!
About a week after I bought it the first dealer called wanting to negotiate. HA! Nope. No Way. :p
Kelly (who is sneaking into the hybrid forum even tho she has no intention of buying one. Ever. :D )
"Kelly (who is sneaking into the hybrid forum even tho she has no intention of buying one. Ever. )"
You are welcome to sneak in but EVER say EVER.
Quote from: GeneF"Kelly (who is sneaking into the hybrid forum even tho she has no intention of buying one. Ever. )"
You are welcome to sneak in but EVER say EVER.
LOL Gene. I thought that when I typed it. Knew I was gonna get busted. Typed it anyway. :p
Gotta tell the story of buying my last Explorer.
Went in to "check out" a deal I heard on the radio -- 4-door Explorer XLS for around $18,500. Sounded too good to be true, but heck, why not look. Told the kid of a salesman that if I gave him my 1 year-old Explorer Sport (TOTALLY loaded) as trade, they would add 6-CD changer, running boards & Lo-Jack and my payments wouldn't change they'd have a deal. They laughed, I started to walk, and they chased me down and wanted to keep talking. Ended up getting the deal I wanted.
However ...
2 days later I had to go back to pick up a couple of things I left in the old car. Was met by the a sales guy (whom I'd never dealt with before) who told me that they couldn't get the financing they thought, so they had to re-write the contract & either increase my payments or my interest. (There's a name for this, and I forget it -- sound familiar, Wavery?) I said, "No thanks, give me my old car back." He wouldn't do it. I staged a 5-hour sit-in in the sales office. Wouldn't budge. Had to call a friend feed Brandy. Finally, they got in touch with the general sales manager, who told them leave the deal alone. I went home.
2 days after that I got another call from the finance manager, who said they were still having trouble getting the deal financed, so they needed to re-write the contract, showing a steeper discount on the new car. By this time I'd called Ford, the newspaper, Channel 4 -- anyone I thought might be interested in how dealers try to rip off people by trying to change the deal after it's been made.
I went in to re-do the contract, and ended up with a smaller payment (by about $50/mo) and less interest than I originally had. Dealer got screwed. Ended up selling me a brand-new car for almost $2,000 under sticker.
Turns out that my old car had been sold the very first day I was there, and they couldn't get it back. They HAD to make something work, even if it meant that they made no money or even took a loss on the deal.
I like shopping for cars ... :Z Just have to figure out the RV thing.
Quote from: AzusateachGotta tell the story of buying my last Explorer.
Went in to "check out" a deal I heard on the radio -- 4-door Explorer XLS for around $18,500. Sounded too good to be true, but heck, why not look. Told the kid of a salesman that if I gave him my 1 year-old Explorer Sport (TOTALLY loaded) as trade, they would add 6-CD changer, running boards & Lo-Jack and my payments wouldn't change they'd have a deal. They laughed, I started to walk, and they chased me down and wanted to keep talking. Ended up getting the deal I wanted.
However ...
2 days later I had to go back to pick up a couple of things I left in the old car. Was met by the a sales guy (whom I'd never dealt with before) who told me that they couldn't get the financing they thought, so they had to re-write the contract & either increase my payments or my interest. (There's a name for this, and I forget it -- sound familiar, Wavery?) I said, "No thanks, give me my old car back." He wouldn't do it. I staged a 5-hour sit-in in the sales office. Wouldn't budge. Had to call a friend feed Brandy. Finally, they got in touch with the general sales manager, who told them leave the deal alone. I went home.
2 days after that I got another call from the finance manager, who said they were still having trouble getting the deal financed, so they needed to re-write the contract, showing a steeper discount on the new car. By this time I'd called Ford, the newspaper, Channel 4 -- anyone I thought might be interested in how dealers try to rip off people by trying to change the deal after it's been made.
I went in to re-do the contract, and ended up with a smaller payment (by about $50/mo) and less interest than I originally had. Dealer got screwed. Ended up selling me a brand-new car for almost $2,000 under sticker.
Turns out that my old car had been sold the very first day I was there, and they couldn't get it back. They HAD to make something work, even if it meant that they made no money or even took a loss on the deal.
I like shopping for cars ... :Z Just have to figure out the RV thing.
It's called "Bait 'n Switch" oldest, most dishonest trick in the book. Lots of dealers have done time for letting it go on in their dealership.
The fact is, once you get a copy of a signed contract, it is iron clad. The only way they can change it is with your agreement. Only stupid people would agree to change the contract and end up paying more.
My guess is, that sales-manager is now working in the parts dept, driving truck.
Quote from: AzusateachGotta tell the story of buying my last Explorer.
Went in to "check out" a deal I heard on the radio -- 4-door Explorer XLS for around $18,500. Sounded too good to be true, but heck, why not look. Told the kid of a salesman that if I gave him my 1 year-old Explorer Sport (TOTALLY loaded) as trade, they would add 6-CD changer, running boards & Lo-Jack and my payments wouldn't change they'd have a deal. They laughed, I started to walk, and they chased me down and wanted to keep talking. Ended up getting the deal I wanted.
However ...
2 days later I had to go back to pick up a couple of things I left in the old car. Was met by the a sales guy (whom I'd never dealt with before) who told me that they couldn't get the financing they thought, so they had to re-write the contract & either increase my payments or my interest. (There's a name for this, and I forget it -- sound familiar, Wavery?) I said, "No thanks, give me my old car back." He wouldn't do it. I staged a 5-hour sit-in in the sales office. Wouldn't budge. Had to call a friend feed Brandy. Finally, they got in touch with the general sales manager, who told them leave the deal alone. I went home.
2 days after that I got another call from the finance manager, who said they were still having trouble getting the deal financed, so they needed to re-write the contract, showing a steeper discount on the new car. By this time I'd called Ford, the newspaper, Channel 4 -- anyone I thought might be interested in how dealers try to rip off people by trying to change the deal after it's been made.
I went in to re-do the contract, and ended up with a smaller payment (by about $50/mo) and less interest than I originally had. Dealer got screwed. Ended up selling me a brand-new car for almost $2,000 under sticker.
Turns out that my old car had been sold the very first day I was there, and they couldn't get it back. They HAD to make something work, even if it meant that they made no money or even took a loss on the deal.
I like shopping for cars ... :Z Just have to figure out the RV thing.
Say........you wanna go shopping for trucks with me?
Larry
Heck, yeah! :D Will you fly me to Tennessee?
Like I said above, have the financing done ahead of time. I belong to a credit union and their financing rates can't be beat. Laura you must belong to a teacher's credit union. Get your financing through the credit union, not the dealership. You will save $$$.
My experience has always been, if they don't want to sell at your price, then walk away and find another dealer who will. Chances are if you walk; as posted above; they will call you back to see if the deal can be closed. If you are $500 apart - walk away. So what! $500 is a lot of money. You can always find the best deal. Be educated. Know what exactly what you want, and have fun!! LOL
Quote from: waveryIt's called "Bait 'n Switch" oldest, most dishonest trick in the book.
In its legal form, it's known as "fraud in the inducement." Glad you were able to kick their liar, liar, pants on fire patooties, Laura!
A car dealeaship wanted to redo a contract??????????????
Hi my name is bank and I want to redo your mortgage because, well........I messed up and you're paying too little on your mortgage and I want to make more $$$$. Please sign here on this new contract.
A contract is a contract. A unilateral mistake does not void the contract. Glad to hear that it worked out for you Laura.
Quote from: griffsmomIn its legal form, it's known as "fraud in the inducement." Glad you were able to kick their liar, liar, pants on fire patooties, Laura!
Man, it pays to have some laywerly-types on the forum! LOL Glad you still remember those terms that drove me nuts in reporting school! :banghead:
Quote from: SpeakEasySo, what do you do when you get down to the point where you are, let's say, $500 apart on price? They hit you with their line, "You want this (camper/car/whatever); you don't want to let the deal go down over such a small amount do you?" I'm afraid I always cave in at that point. Lately I've been thinking about using that line myself - on them - before they get to it. Think it would work?
Turn the line around on them and say "Do you want to loose this sale over such a small amount?", after a few seconds, get up and head for the door. They will call you in a day or two, (in most cases) if they even let you out the door.:)
Quote from: griffsdadLike I said above, have the financing done ahead of time. I belong to a credit union and their financing rates can't be beat. Laura you must belong to a teacher's credit union. Get your financing through the credit union, not the dealership. You will save $$$.
My experience has always been, if they don't want to sell at your price, then walk away and find another dealer who will. Chances are if you walk; as posted above; they will call you back to see if the deal can be closed. If you are $500 apart - walk away. So what! $500 is a lot of money. You can always find the best deal. Be educated. Know what exactly what you want, and have fun!! LOL
I offered them my PUP in trade and $7000 CASH. No deal. I'd done my homework, I thought. But the NADA isn't in the ballpark with their little bank blue book. It's okay by me -- I don't need a new trailer. And it's good to be reminded of that. The day will come when I can no longer do the popping up thing & still want to camp. Then I'll have to make some decisions about how much I'm willing to spend/finance. It's still fun to look, though! :)
Hey Laura, when you're ready to buy, we will too!! Then they have to give us a big discount. Right?
Quote from: griffsdadA car dealeaship wanted to redo a contract??????????????
Hi my name is bank and I want to redo your mortgage because, well........I messed up and you're paying too little on your mortgage and I want to make more $$$$. Please sign here on this new contract.
A contract is a contract. A unilateral mistake does not void the contract. Glad to hear that it worked out for you Laura.
We bought a car once and a couple of days later they called and said they had to re-do the contract because they had the interest rate too low. We told them ok, have the car we traded in ready to go when we get there and we will give back the new one and go elsewhere. low and behold it worked out, imagine that.
Quote from: AzusateachI offered them my PUP in trade and $7000 CASH. No deal. I'd done my homework, I thought. But the NADA isn't in the ballpark with their little bank blue book. It's okay by me -- I don't need a new trailer. And it's good to be reminded of that. The day will come when I can no longer do the popping up thing & still want to camp. Then I'll have to make some decisions about how much I'm willing to spend/finance. It's still fun to look, though! :)
Laura, don't trade in....sell it outright. When we bought the TT last year they wanted to give us $3,000.00 for our pop-up on trade, we sold it on a street corner for $5,200.00
Quote from: TheVikingWe bought a car once and a couple of days later they called and said they had to re-do the contract because they had the interest rate too low. We told them ok, have the car we traded in ready to go when we get there and we will give back the new one and go elsewhere. low and behold it worked out, imagine that.
That's basically what happened to me, and hence, the sit-in. It was really quite a sight. The sales manager kept trying to get me to sit out in the showroom, but I was smarter than him. Every time he asked me to move, I said, "Give me back my old car & I will." Kept telling me that he couldn't. He couldn't do
anything without me hearing him. Probably screwed up lots of his deals that night. What a horse's patutty!
Interestingly enough, I wasn't the only one in the dealership that night who was having their contract re-done. Another woman (is there a pattern here?) was, and they had her over a barrel, because she didn't have another car, and really needed her new one.
Dave, we'll have to talk ... maybe in October at the Pomona show? :D
Quote from: AzusateachThat's basically what happened to me, and hence, the sit-in. It was really quite a sight. The sales manager kept trying to get me to sit out in the showroom, but I was smarter than him. Every time he asked me to move, I said, "Give me back my old car & I will." Kept telling me that he couldn't. He couldn't do anything without me hearing him. Probably screwed up lots of his deals that night. What a horse's patutty!
Interestingly enough, I wasn't the only one in the dealership that night who was having their contract re-done. Another woman (is there a pattern here?) was, and they had her over a barrel, because she didn't have another car, and really needed her new one.
Dave, we'll have to talk ... maybe in October at the Pomona show? :D
This didn't happen to be an AutoNation dealership did it Laura?
Quote from: waveryThis didn't happen to be an AutoNation dealership did it Laura?
Don't know what those are. It's the only American car dealer in Pasadena on Colorado Blvd., just west of PCC. And it's under new ownership.
Quote from: waveryThis didn't happen to be an AutoNation dealership did it Laura?
Ours was an AutoNation............
How do you know if it's an AutoNation dealer?
Okay, going again today to see the hybrids did absolutely NOTHING to dissuade me from getting one. :eyecrazy:
I checked RVTrader & by the looks of what's for sale, I could probably get what I want for my PUP. Add to that some cash, and I could be in a Coyote by June!
So now the question is, what do I need to know about selling something myself. I've always traded in my cars, and considering that I'm doing this solo, what do I need to be careful about?
Quote from: AzusateachSo now the question is, what do I need to know about selling something myself.
One of the most important things is for it to be as clean as possible. We're talking "hospital clean". If you have any dirt (dust) streaks, or mildew, on the inside of the canvas, use something to make it "go away" (search here for hints; I don't remember what we used, but there are things).
Use Clorox wipes, or similar (Lysol), and clean every crack, track, nook, cranny, etc. Scrub / buff the outside. I even pressure-washed the roof, and gently touched-up the small crack in the plastic on the side of the bumper. Wrap packing tape, sticky side OUT, around your hand and roll it on fabric to remove dog hair - it will PULL it out of cushions.
Empty it out, except for a small assortment of "camping" stuff - a couple of forks, knives, cups, etc. Make it look like it is stocked, but minimally - to show how much "extra" room there is (yes, remove the green plastic cactus "funny lights", etc!).
We advertized ours here for a month or so, but only got some almost-offensively-lowbally offers. Advertized it on Craigslist, and sold it within a couple of weeks to a fellow from 5 hours away (Carmel).