This has little to do with "fluffing" anymore. What some posters are accomplishing here is killing this board, so the name of the group "formally known as fluffers" shoud be, is board killers.
Do you think it's an accident that less and less people are posting here, including Nightowl and Suzy Q and a few others that used to be regulars? I see almost daily threads started that say "Where is......?" I wonder sometimes if they don't come around anymore because these unmoderated postings that add little to the board have just driven more and more people away. Now it has even spilled over into the general discussion area and I suppose it's going to just keep on spreading like any other disease.
Don't misunderstand me, off topic discussions are fine, that's what we all do around a real campfire and I suspect that this is the point of this "virtual" campfire. But letting it spill out into the general forums and making everyone suffer through sifting through it looking for some camping topics is just wrong. Board killers need their own special section Dave, so the rest of us can get back to buisness as usual.
We all paid our 30 bucks, we all should be able to post as much or as little as we want too. But this is about resect for other board members, and this has to play a part in it. Just adding a "one liner" to a thread that is meaningless is not helpfull to the topic, It's getting very old to some of us and that's why a lot of us just don't come here to read much anymore, much less take the time to post.
By Dave changing this software and hosting site, it has made things better for all of us to a degree, a chat software that works for members would be a very welcone addition to many members and I think that's almost a must to keep some people here. But I also wonder if all this "board killing" that's going on makes the end inevitable? I wonder if it was too little too late?
So going forward, when you reply to a post or start one, think about what your posting first and weather their is anything there that someone would find helpful. Keep thinking of your posts in terms of respect. That's not to say anyone should stop posting fun topics here, they do have their place and I enjoy reading some of them to an extent. But when the main focus of the board becomes off topic fluff, someone needs to reign the offenders in in my opinion.
So I'm going to go start a poll over in that area asking a question about weather or not the fluffing is becoming a board killer, answer if you like.....
Jmo, Lately when reading this board.... I feel like a Peeping Tom
Listening in on personal conversations.
Everything posted is directed at the few posting, nothing of interest to anyone else.
This I find to be an interesting post. Right now there are 18 people on line, not counting the hidden. If everyone would post..... It would take off again. This is what I meant last fall, when I was debating about the pay thing, If you put a post up, Who will hear it???? Now we are at the point where there is very little meaningful action.
I will not criticize anyone for what they post. It just doesn't make me feel "right". But with all the members that are here, there should be a lot more ideas, questions, or just general things to share.
But to just sit back, not post anything, and then criticize isn't right either.
I feel much the same about this as I do Voting, If you don't post anything, don't bitch about it.
This thread makes about as much sense as a donkey ride down the interstate.
"Just adding a "one liner" to a thread that is meaningless is not helpfull to the topic, It's getting very old to some of us and that's why a lot of us just don't come here to read much anymore, much less take the time to post."
I have to agree with Lee on the above. I get a little tired of going through a thread and seeing a one or two word reply that is often made in jest to another poster.
I am not saying this is wrong because this has always happened in the past but I think that in some of the threads it has gotten out of hand.
As an oldtimer on PUT, I find myself visiting here less and less and posting less and less. I don't feel that there is the same quality posting now than there has been in the past.
I also miss some of the postings by such members as ChasD, CampnFan, NightOwl, Jeffery, ForestCreature, SuzyQue and so on.
My most recent posts have been in the Hybrid forum because I just purchased one. Some hybrid owners have graciously answered my questions in a manner consistent with the board.
I think Lee has made some valid points and I believe that his post was made out of his concern for the future of PUT. I think Lee, like many of us, are wondering what direction PUT is going in and what is the future of PUT.
I've gotta agree with Bearbait, posting, just to post without adding anything of interest to the thread doesn't help anything. When it happens in the "Campfire" it's not so bad, that where the off-topic stuff belongs anyway. It seems to me that in the "General" section, a thread can start out on a camping subject only to be driven in a completely different direction. Perhaps if we do a better job of posting to the proper section and refrain from "off-topic" replies to "on-topic" subjects, things will be smoother.
I'd hate to see this site.......this community......fade away.
SkipP
It's my opinion that it is up to the Mod and PUT to move anything from General to the Campfire as they might see necesssary. Members have different reasons by choice as to how often and how infrequent their visits are on PUT. It shows caring and concern for other "campers" here when someone asks about certain members, particularly those that may have endured fires, illnesses, and other hardships that have not been on the board in a while. As such, this indicates that there is something called "community spirit" and a camaraderie amongst members. There were those who privately emailed me when I was away from PUT for many months, encouraging my return. Many of these emails came from those I had met through PUT and had gone camping with as a group.
Out of respect of the opinion for all parties and fellow members, I must say that I try to follow the rules of PUT. Things like name calling are not allowed here. I try to be fair and honest to all parties like the rules state:
It s OK to criticize a product, manufacturer, campground or Pop UP Times. Just be honest and fair to all parties involved, including your fellow board readers. If someone has personal issues about PUT, then address those with the Mod and PUT.
most people have been here a
long time and know many of the answers to the same questions asked over and over.... So I think people start topics that may not be related to Pop ups so they can still communicate with people. If you think about it it is called pop up times... not hybrid times, not tent times, but pop up times... still others are welcome and are treated the same.. many poeple have met and become friends sometimes we like to talk about other things then just pop ups... Maybe it should be called camping times.... or campfire times... that way pople can post almost anything with out feeling guilty about only talking about Pop ups
I believe Bearbait has formulated his words to show care and concern for PUT, in its present form and its future. Acting with the same concern, I have strived to keep the fluff in campfire forum only. The few times, there were exceptions, and the moment I realized it, I stopped it immediately. After all, people have only so much tolerance for stuff they are not interested to know/read.
It hurts to be called Board Killers. I find it offensive to be called a BOARD KILLER. I also find it extremely difficult to believe that, people are not posting in the general forum, or campfire forum, because a group of people who made friends via PUT are sharing their friendship over PUT.
There was always NON-pupup stuff discussed in campfire, and nobody had to be named because of this. As much as I would love to post at the General forum too, the traffic there is minimal, and I have only a few areas I can contribute to, the lack of newcomers makes me a newbie, and thus I keep to myself in General forum.
It is very acceptable to point out mistakes, to ciriticise, but one has to consider that if asked, what did you do for PUT, did you contribute to the forums regularly, one has to be able to answer the questions with a big "YES I DID".
I think we all have a lot of work to do, in a lot of areas. If my posting have kept anybody from posting, I apologize. The postings I made was mostly to create some traffic and get more people involved with the board. If the only reaction is going to be, we don't want people to be friends and carry on conversations on PUT, I can understand that. I have made quite a few friends thanks to PUT, and I am sure I can carry on those friendships outside PUT.
Lee, I'm not sure why I've frequented this site less and less over the last month or so. I'm not sure if it's the fluff you refer to or lack of activity; I enjoy reading posts from new owners asking those same questions over and over again, I don't see that happening too much anymore. I'm able to post and respond with those I've camped with in person on other sites, I think there were only 2 or 3 of us that decided to pay to stay on PUT and that is a big reason I'm not very active here much lately.
I think I can be considered as much of a board killer as the fluffers you refer to by my decision to not log-on on daily basis and contribute in any fashion. I think this may even be my first post since the board changed format. I contributed to the fluff as much as the next person but also feel the flavour has changed. I honestly think there is not enough new blood to keep this site alive come the new year.
I still check in regularly. My one and only reason that I don't post as much is because I post A LOT on my animal forums. I still enjoy it here, and I know I can always come here and ask if I have a camping related problem.
So, as far as I'm concerned, this is still a great place.
Edit: And of course I always enjoy the OT stuff, and will always read and lend my prayers to the topics that indicate my cyber friends are in need of them.
[It hurts to be called Board Killers. I find it offensive to be called a BOARD KILLER.
Birol
No one was mentioned as a Board Killer.
I believe that the term was used generically. Any other term could have been used.
Quote from: MtnCamperThis I find to be an interesting post. Right now there are 18 people on line, not counting the hidden. If everyone would post..... It would take off again. This is what I meant last fall, when I was debating about the pay thing, If you put a post up, Who will hear it???? Now we are at the point where there is very little meaningful action.
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I have to agree with MtnCamper on this. There have been times when I've been away from the boards for a few days. When I come back there will be many people logged on (28 right now) and no new board activity.
There are almost 800 members here ~ why are we all waiting for somebody else to post something interesting?! Surely there are others who have questions, comments, concerns, ideas, etc that they want to share ... (and don't call me Shirley ;))[/font]
I'll try to reply to this again. Really not sure if it's worth it, but I will anyway.
I can agree with Lee, when I read lately most threads are just conversations between a few people. Makes me feel like a peeping tom. It really does get old sifting through it.
I think off topic is OK, but it's really all there is.
Not that's any members fault, it's not our job to moderate ourselves.
We are all bored and have nothing else to say.
IMo.... What was really frustrating even more than the above,
Was the fact I defended this place, When all the big changes happened.
I was one of the fools, that said "I'm sure it'll be great whatever it ends up being and I'll be glad to pay and stay."
And now it looks like there might be some good changes in the works.
But 10 - 11 months later??????????? Give me a break!
Most of us that did hang in there, have lost interest.
So there's MO...... I don't post much and won't.
I'm sure I'll still read, but don't think I will post much of anything.
To tell the truth, I've lost interest in all camping message boards.
it must be me...i just looked in the general section and didn't see any topics that where fluffy.
i come on when i can...sometimes i can't come on for perios at a time...but i do try and check in every chance i get.
i guess it never occured to some ppl that we all have lives outside of the forum which interfers with our ability to post. also, there always have been slow posting periods for the board. i just don't understand why fluff is considered a problem.
topics such as this are board killers as well, making ppl who have been here for along time with great contributions fill unwanted and they leave.
Someone must have had a bad day to be so cranky to try to make a problem of the things others have fun with.
Please, remember that no one can have any power over how you feel unless you let them. So don't feel as if you should drop away from the board only because someone else doesn't agree with your posting 'style'.
There are a lot of members of this board who are facing challenges in their daily lives, due to the economy, health matters, and other causes. The board has become a lifeline of sorts for them, and is important to them. A lot of these people are my friends, and it's a shame to see anyone make them feel as if their feelings are less important.
T
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Quote from: wiininkweSomeone must have had a bad day to be so cranky to try to make a problem of the things others have fun with.
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I don't think he had a cranky day but was trying to make a point.
I remember one thread that I looked at that had about 10 one or two word quick answers between two people. Nothing to do with camping or the topic. Did look like a lot of posts on the topic though.
There is not a lot of traffic on the board so there is not a lot to read. If I get on a thread with a lot of "fluff" this gives me the impression that there is nothing to talk about and this is just stuff to make it look like there is info on the board.
It would be nice to see the board make it and have something of interest going on here to actually come and visit and post again.
Before everyone jumps on Lee and call him a Glass half empty kind of person, nay sayer, pessimist or something else maybe she should step back and look at his motivations, no evil intent.
Quote from: GeneF[It hurts to be called Board Killers. I find it offensive to be called a BOARD KILLER.
Birol
No one was mentioned as a Board Killer.
I believe that the term was used generically. Any other term could have been used.
Gene,
I don't know what you are trying to say but, People who write fluff were called board killers, here it is :
Quote from: bearbaitThis has little to do with "fluffing" anymore. What some posters are accomplishing here is killing this board, so the name of the group "formally known as fluffers" shoud be, is board killers.
What other term did you have in mind ? It is quite offensive that you make the above statement.
When I see people chatting away about stuff I am not interested in, I just do not look at that thread anymore. I do not try police other peoples actions. Not being very active in the board and all of a sudden criticizing people who are having fun in a few threads is a very interesting very of showing ones devotion to PUT.
General forum is where all the POP-UP activity is supposed to take place, I do not see a lot of activity there. And all of a sudden a few posts in the Campfire forum is responsible for this lack of activity ? How about when Bearbait also made similar statements few months ago, were we also responsible for the lack of activity ? There was no fluff going on at that time. I was amongst the people who did his best not to lose any members, including bearbait. I think we all have to put things in perspective and be tolerant of each other. We can make this place a miserable or a very pleasant environment by how we relate to each other.
If the idea is to cut down on the friendly talk, I think that objective has been achieved. Can we now see the activity on General forum pick up and get bigger ?
Birol
You are too sensitive.
No one's name was mentioned so I don't know who the fluffers are.
I still agree with Lee's point. If it has offended some people so be it. It has happened on this board before and will happen again as you well know.
Quote from: wiininkweThere are a lot of members of this board who are facing challenges in their daily lives, due to the economy, health matters, and other causes. The board has become a lifeline of sorts for them, and is important to them. A lot of these people are my friends, and it's a shame to see anyone make them feel as if their feelings are less important.
T
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You couldn't be more right, I know that's why Bearbait would not want to loose the forum but only make it better. After all he has been out of work because of an on the job injury for over three yrs. So I do agree it would be a shame to belittle his feelings
OK guys, I admit that I have been a bit slack on posting on the General Thread and on contributing there, so just go over and check out my reply on the one about tow ratings for a Grand Caravan.;)
why are we wasting all this bandwidth space on all of this fluff!? It's no different than any of the other so called nonsense threads.
T
;)
All who are complaining about the lack of meaningful info on the General Thread must now go over there and post something meaningful.:D
I keep trying to post to this thread, even though I know I should not.
You can call me a board killer too because........
I've totally lost interest in the PU camping topic.
But I keep looking here, and I also get frustrated like Lee - when there is nothing to read. Don't know why I look? I'm not obsessed with any other board?
Honestly, I've contributed nothing worthwhile in months.
I've known for a long time it's time to move on.
So before I offend anyone, because I have no reason to do that.
So for the Last Time....All good things must come to and end, and it was fun!
"Always Wear Your Nametag'
Jeffrey AKA -A Major Security Risk
Good luck with all the PUT changes.
They sound interesting but IMO 9 months too late for me.
(I put in a bogus email and a new password with a blindfold on.
So I won't be tempted to ever check in again. I know that's pretty pathetic, but it's cheaper than hiring a Hypnotist. ROTFLMAO!!!!)
This has been some interesting reading, to say the least. Some valid points have been raised by all responses. I believe that Bearbait is just trying to get us all to stop and think about why we all joined this board way back and why we are still here today AND what we can do to make it better. Some posts do annoy me--I try to skip those and go on. I'd rather not sift through one line comments that add little. I was gone last week-end so didn't check in for 3 days. There was only one page of new posts in both the general and campfire forums. (a scrappin' board I frequent has that many posts in 15 minutes). What is happening to PUT? I know most of us are experienced campers; but there used to be so much more around here. Maybe we don't need the questions answered, but what happened to the sharing of other things like camping stories, good deals on "stuff", etc? I know we all have very diverse lives but camping drew us together and is seemingly driving us apart. Yes, we are busy but how much time does it take to check this board out? It's time to stop making excuses and get this board back to something great. If not, I fear we'll see the active membership continue to dwindle. (and please don't jump too hard on Bearbait--his ankle can't take it.)
Quote from: cycloneIf not, I fear we'll see the active membership continue to dwindle. (and please don't jump too hard on Bearbait--his ankle can't take it.)
Everytime attacks are made on people who make PUT what it is, we are loosing people. I wonder who is going to disappear this time, Angelsmom10 ? wiinkiwe ? B-Flat ? Me ? Oh yeah like Nightowl and others who already chose to leave laast time something very similar happened , we don't make up this board. I am sorry I even mentioned it. All I see is negative effect on PUT. Another axe at its roots. Not to add or continue to damage PUT, I am not going to post anymore in this thread.
"(and please don't jump too hard on Bearbait--his ankle can't take it.)"
Sorry, I just had knee replacement surgery, so take it easy on me, too. And on a few others who are having problems.
I agree with Birol, and this will be my last post on this thread too. But many of us have been out of work, or had medical problems, or both. We aren't attacking others for the way they post. We try to maintain the friendly spirit of the board. If you want to read fluff, then read our posts. If not, then don't. It's that easy. If the administration wants us to stop posting fluff, I assume they'll tell us so, and then I'll stop posting it. But no one else has the authority to tell the rest of us how to post. That's why we have the campfire forum, to post the things that appeal to us.
T
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I can see both sides of this but if I must admit I feel much the same way Birol does. Yes, calling the "fluff posters" Board Killers was pointing a finger, especially at Birol, since Birol has actually been referred to as Mr. Fluffington. Using the term Board Killers is name calling, just as Mr. Fluffington is. But the difference is that Board Killer is derogatory name calling and Mr Fluffington was a jesting name posted in good spirits between friends. But I don't think anyone should hold anything against you, Bearbait, for using that term. If anyone takes offense to that term, then maybe that person, in a little subconcious part of their mind, feels like they are guilty of "board killing" and I don't think they should feel guilty. I don't think there is anything wrong with fluff.
I think the reason there are so many fluffy posts is just that there isn't a usable chat forum to do the fluffy stuff at. The fluff posters are generally very good about keeping their fluff in the campfire forum. Campfire is for OT. OT is just that... Off topic and fluff is OT. And it seems to me that means that anything fluffy can and should be discussed there. If anyone is bored with the content of what's posted in a thread in, just move on. Nobody is forcing anyone to read all the posts in a topic. If anyone thinks a post has gotten too fluffy, then by all means, post something to the thread that is more meaningful to get it back on track.
Sometimes I stop reading a thread because of the fluff but I admit, I post fluff too and if anyone is annoyed by that... well, oh well. I am not going to change my actions just to conform to what pleases somebody else. And I don't think it's fair for anyone to expect me to. That would be just as bad as me saying I don't think anyone should post threads or post in threads that raise confrontation. Everyone should be able to post what they like and not be discourage from doing so as long as the posts follow the rules of allowable content.
Thank you Bearbait for posting this. It's a good topic of discussion and it's nice to hear from you. We don't hear from you very often anymore.
This has made for some interesting reading with my morning coffee.
OK, this is how I see it....take it for just that, my thoughts on this issue.
While there are many time a subject gets waylayed by one liners, I just skip over the one liners and continue thru the post. The amount of "Fluff" in the campfire section dosen't phase me. That's what it's here for. Even I am guilty of "fluff".
What the issue really is, is the lack of activity in the General and other camping related sections. All though using different terms, even Birol brought up this same subject not long ago himself.
The lack of activity is caused by ALL of us. As I have said in the past when this subject gets brought up, the Board is what WE ALL make it. The lack of posts on camping subjects is brought on by everyone here.
Instead of sitting back and watching things die slowly and complaning about the board being slow, if everyone pulls out their keyboard and uses it, things would change.
Until that happens, I'm afraid nothing will change and the board will get slower and slower until there is nothing left.:mad:
The thing that boggles my mind is , why would someone pay their membership fee to do absolutely nothing but sit and wait for the activity to begin. It beigins or ends soon as we all log on.....regardless of how often that is. Once a day, once a week or once a year.
The only thing that EVER makes me consider leaving this board is threads like this. Maybe it's just me, but I've just never seen the reason for someone to spend their time going over every post with a fine toothed comb and explaining what is wrong with them. This board is what we make of it, and there is no way we are going to like every single post, so why not just enjoy the ones we are interested in and go on? What a concept.
Oops, sorry, FC - didn't mean to steal your words about the board is what we make of it. I hadn't read page 3 yet. Great minds think alike, huh? ;)
Quote from: Miss-TeriThe only thing that EVER makes me consider leaving this board is threads like this.
I have to agree...and I do input fluff...and I do ask and answer real camping and popup questions...BUT the reason I DID join this board and PAY for it even though I also use several other free ones..is the "family" feeling of this board. People seemed very knowledgable about their popups and ready to help with any camping issues, but they also seemed to just be there for each other. I liked the atmosphere here.....but posts like this one now make me leary of responding to anything.
BTW, what happened to mis-Teri's post?
Quote from: wiininkweBTW, what happened to mis-Teri's post?
Looks like it was edited but it doesn't say by whom...
testing edit
Quote from: MommaMiaLooks like it was edited but it doesn't say by whom...
testing edit
It used to say.... "edited by Mommamia (or whomever) on....." Not anymore. So you can't tell who did the editing. My guess is if it was a Mod. that edited it would say "edited by Moderator such and such". Or at least i think that's what it should say! And I do think it should say WHEN it was edited.
:W
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!
I have "ALWAYS" gotten good solid advice and help here at PUT! Lot's of good things have happend to my camper and on camping trips because of PUT, The board has been a great place to visit. I even have gotten help with things that had nothing to do with camping. One board member saved me a couple hundred bucks by helping me with a heater problem I was having in my home. I fixed it myself by him being a good board member and friend to a fellow camper!
It is fairly simple folks..... RELAX!
This is a good community to be a part of. I will stay as long as I can. I just wish we could get the chat room back.......... ;)
That is where I really got to know some GOOD FOLKS! :J
I eventually ended up camping with plenty of them on more than one occasion!
I hope to plenty more too! :M
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I LOVE YOU GUYS!!
I have "ALWAYS" gotten good solid advice and help here at PUT! Lot's of good things have happend to my camper and on camping trips because of PUT, The board has been a great place to visit. I even have gotten help with things that had nothing to do with camping. One board member saved me a couple hundred bucks by helping me with a heater problem I was having in my home. I fixed it myself by him being a good board member and friend to a fellow camper!
It is fairly simple folks..... RELAX!
This is a good community to be a part of. I will stay as long as I can. I just wish we could get the chat room back.......... ;)
That is where I really got to know some GOOD FOLKS! :J
I eventually ended up camping with plenty of them on more than one occasion!
I hope to plenty more too! :M
Hey Rick... We love you too!
(oops! Is that fluff I just posted?!?! Hope not! ;)
Miss-Teri's post is at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.
Now, just look at some interesting statistics: General has over 1457 threads and 13704 posts while Campfire has 1225 threads and 15,170 posts when I last checked this a.m. There are other interesting ways to know who is posting to what by checking out the membership area and "finding all posts." It categorizes what each member has posted and it is also time and date stamped. Interesting!
Please pass me a Diet Dr. Pepper and the potato chips.;) :D :D :D
Quote from: CampNfan:W
I LOVE YOU GUYS!!
I LOVE YOU TOO .......MAN (we need a big kiss icon)
(and can't wait to camp with you again):J
Quote from: B-flatMiss-Teri's post is at the bottom of page 1 of this thread.
yes, it's there, but edited of the line that vjm quoted and it doesn't tell when it was edited or by whom.
I think that only the person that made the post can do an edit, besides the moderator....
as a famous person once said
"Why can't we all just get along!"
I have not posted much, as I have moved to the dark side..
A travel trailer in the last 2 months. I am looking and asking questions that relate to my new camping past time, TT camping on several different web sites Irv2 and RvNet. These site are more on the 5er, MH, and TT side. So my time is better spent on these sites. But if Dave ever moves to a TT will this site move too.
I still visit here and PUX and will til my time runs out.
But over the course of the 3 plus years I have been on/around PUT I have learned a lot and have met a lot of good folks here and the other boards. I have camped with a lot of you and have made good friends with others.
see ya round &
Happy Trails,
randy
Sorry, I was hoping I deleted it before anyone saw it. I thought twice about it and decided I shouldn't really say anything. It pretty much just said it's this kind of thread that bothers me - the kind where people are insulting others, or their type of posts. If something were to make me leave, it would be that kind of behavior, not "fluff" posts, etc.
Quote from: B-flatI think that only the person that made the post can do an edit, besides the moderator....
Yes, i know that, but it would be nice to know if the poster edited or the moderator. As it stands, we can't tell if Miss Teri edited her post because she reconsidered the statement she made or if the Mod thought it was not appropriate and changed it.
Also, if when a post is edited it showed when it was changed it would be easier to tell if it was changed just because of some wording error of if it was due to responses that followed. Having to go back to the persons profile and search all the post and find what was said when to clarify is such a run around. And if the original post is still logged under the persons profile, what good is it to be able to edit? I mean, if I say something like "John-o is a doofus" and I edit that out because I realized that that's rude and everyone can still go back to my history of posts and still see that I called John-o a doofus, then what's the point of my editing?
Ok....
Never mind about the original unedited post being logged in post history of member profile. I just tested it and the only post that shows is the new, edited version.
I type I have blue hair.
I edited my post to say I have red hair.
Prifile post history only shows the new post... I have red hair.
I still think it should say who and when it was edited.
Now, back to the subject matter.
Quote from: Miss-TeriSorry, I was hoping I deleted it before anyone saw it. I thought twice about it and decided I shouldn't really say anything. It pretty much just said it's this kind of thread that bothers me - the kind where people are insulting others, or their type of posts. If something were to make me leave, it would be that kind of behavior, not "fluff" posts, etc.
Don't be sorry... about what you originally said or the fact that you edited it.
mommamia, when I said that one could go to the member area and see who has posted, I didn't mean that anyone could see the unedited version. My point was to show that it is interesting to see which members have posted to certain sections like "General" and "Campfire." For example, it is even more interesting to take the members that posted to this thread topic and to see where they posted in the General and other than "Campfire" prior to 11:57 a.m. Nov 6.;)
(typo corrected by B-flat @ 2:45pm, Nov 7)
Quote from: B-flatmommamia, when I said that one could go to the member area and see who has posted, I didn't mean that anyone could see the unedited version. My point was to show that it is interesting to see which members have posted to certain sections like "General" and "Campfire." For example, it is even more interesting to take the members that posted to this thread topic and to see where they posted in the General and other than "Campfire" prior to 11:47 a.m. Nov 6.;)
hold a sec... there is a crossed wire here.
I only was trying to say to you...
" Yes, i know that, but it would be nice to know if the poster edited or the moderator. As it stands, we can't tell if Miss Teri edited her post because she reconsidered the statement she made or if the Mod thought it was not appropriate and changed it. "But the rest of that post...
"Also, if when a post is edited it showed when it was changed it would be easier to tell if it was changed just because of some wording error of if it was due to responses that followed. Having to go back to the persons profile and search all the post and find what was said when to clarify is such a run around. And if the original post is still logged under the persons profile, what good is it to be able to edit? I mean, if I say something like "John-o is a doofus" and I edit that out because I realized that that's rude and everyone can still go back to my history of posts and still see that I called John-o a doofus, then what's the point of my editing?... was strictly just me musing on my own thoughts. I guess I didn't make that clear. Sorry!
I know you were just pointing out a neat feature.
Yes, I remember from the olden days of the old board that it would say "edited by......@ such and such time." It would say who edited. That was a neat feature. New board is certainly different about some things.
Quote from: B-flatYes, I remember from the olden days of the old board that it would say "edited by......@ such and such time." It would say who edited. That was a neat feature. New board is certainly different about some things.
I just found out that it does the same here... BUT with a 5 minute rule. You have 5 mins after your original post to go back and edit it without it showing you editted. It seems it is so you can go back quickly and edit without it showing you did so. After 5 mins. It shows who edited and what time!
That's a good feature and I can go back when I spot a typo from my fast typing and it won't take up a lot of space for the edit line. That's if I do it within 5 mins.
Lee, (Bearbait) cracks me up! LOL
A long time ago, I was stuck in a management training class. One of the topics covered was "dumping your bucket". It seems that employees sometimes reach a "breaking point" & will enter your office and "dump their buckets" onto you. Once they do, they feel much better & move on with their lives as though nothing ever happenend, forgetting that they left you worried about them. We were told to recognize what was happening & just let it go.
I realized then that when these things had happenend in the past, I would dwell on them endlessly. Occasionally, feeling I had an answer for an employee's problem, I would mention my solution at a later time only to receive a facial response of "what are you talking about?" which confused me even more.
So, if you go back through the 5 pages of posts so far, you'll notice that Lee only posted ONCE! He feels better and has moved on to other things leaving others to dwell on and magnify his topic into a monster! LOL
It's ok though. The board has been slow lately & it's good to see it waking up again. My computer had problems for the past three weeks or so and it's good to be back in the OT section again!
Topcat, dear friend, you are probably right. We are victims of the "dumped bucket" right here. LOL! Well, I did say for the folks complaining to go and post some meaningful stuff . What really gets me is that the ones complaining actually have been posting on the "Campfire" and you know what that means. ROTFLOL!
My DW says she never fluffs, but after a good meal (especially some mexican dish)..even the dogs leave the bedroom when she starts "fluffing". I think they're afraid they may be blamed for it.
:J ROTFLMAO, RNRD I wasn't going to post to this thread, but I had to thank you. :W
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wiininkweBirol, don t regret this thread, it gave a lot of us an opportunity to see how others felt, and to say how we felt. That s the whole purpose of being able to share on this forum. You are a great asset to this board, don t ever restrict yourself from posting what you feel is important, or even as a joke.
T
My My My, how attitudes change in just three weeks. I guess it's all in who you are.......
Quote from: rednekrubbrduckMy DW says she never fluffs, but after a good meal (especially some mexican dish)..even the dogs leave the bedroom when she starts "fluffing". I think they're afraid they may be blamed for it.
OMG!!! You just made my coffee come out my nose!
:W
I Love this Ol' Board.......Emmhemmmhemmmhumhum :M I love this Ol" Board
Come as you are....... :p
Topcat, instead of "bucket dumping," it was more like stack dumping and a repeat performance. ;) :D
Quote from: B-flatTopcat, instead of "bucket dumping," it was more like stack dumping and a repeat performance. ;) :D
B-Flat
Not sure what you mean about the above but isn't it about time this topic was left to rest?
If it wasn't clearly understood, go back and reread Topcat's post. Don't even suggest that this thread be dropped. It keeps coming back around just as it has many times in the past. The kind of attitude projected is why
some people have left the board,( including one that I know of as result of this thread,) and it is what causes people not to renew their memberships. Out of those who are complaining about there not being enough posts to the "meaningful" General camping related thread, it's interesting to go back and see how many were posting there in the 30 days prior to 11/06 at 11:57a.m. Facts will certainly stand out and speak for itself. People choose to post or not to post for their own reasons. If there's a topic I don't want to read or to post to, I move on to something else. As a paying member following the rules, it is perfectly ok to post to any topic or thread. There have been a number of reasons presented in this thread as to why some people don't post as much. The last time I looked, the poll started by the author of this thread is showing that the majority of people don't think fluff is killing the board, well over 70%. I was on the old boards a long time and "flaming" seemed to take place regularly and it probably will always take place from time to time. It happens on other boards, too. "....how attitudes change in just three weeks...." It happens.
I personally have gained much useful knowledge of Pop Ups and Pop Up Camping from this board. I hope that all newcomers will stick around and learn all they can, too and that all will become participants in all areas of the board as much as possible. Get a subscription to Pop Up Times and read and learn everything you can. Get involved in a rally, camp with people who share your common interest in pop up camping, make new friends, and enjoy yourself here at Pop Up Times. After all is said and done, you will have gained a lot of valuable experience and the friendships you have made will be worth far more than what you have paid in money and time here. Go ahead and participate in the Campfire (Fluff) threads and have some fun. I'll be looking for you as much as I possibly can.:) :D
B-Flat
I understood Topcat's message but yours was a bit vague. Or were you trying to be funny.
I have been on this board for some time and I believe that I have made many positive contributions to this board. I have also been supportive of the board when changes were made. I never left PopupTimes and registered on any other forum until two weeks ago. I registered at Hybrid Explorer because I now own a hybrid.
If Lee was venting, he was also venting for other members on this board. Me included.
There was a time that I would log on to this board every chance I got. Each time I logged on, there was something new and exciting going on.
Now there are few posts and many of them have nothing to do with popups.
My feeling is that a lot of this board is now social and not what it was 3 years ago. People were social, people cared about each other and shared each others problems but the main point of the board was popups and camping. There definitely was a bonding amongst the people on this board. That is what made this board so great.
What is one of the reasons for the slowing down of activity, in my opinion it is very simple. There is not a lot of new people coming aboard to ask the "old questions" that we have answered so many times. Every time with the same vigor as it was answered the first time.
When I asked you to consider dropping this thread, your answer was a definite No. I don't see the purpose of this thread going on and some people just feeding it.
Will I renew my subscription, the answer is No.
Will I lurk until my subrscription ends, maybe
Will I post again, I think it is time to join Nightowl and Jeffery.
Thanks for your help in me making my decision.
Gene, I wasn't going to post again to this thread, it seems like no matter what I say, Lee or one of his friends takes exception to it. But, since you felt you had to explain what he was trying to say, maybe I'll try to speak a little on what Nancy was saying. We know of at least two people from this board who have stopped posting here specifically because they were attacked by Lee because of something they posted, and when they tried to explain themselves they were told by his friends that they shouldn't take things personally, to lighten up, and to stop being sarcastic. As if he has never been sarcastic in his posts. I find it very ironic that in the first post in this thread he mentions that NightOwl doesn't post here any more and suggested it is because of 'fluff'. In fact, after he was very nasty to her several months ago, she decided that she could find better things to do with her time than be upset by him and feel that she had to defend herself against him whenever he got it into his head to go on a rant. It is because of him that she no longer posts here, so if you are going to join her, maybe you should qualify your reasons. About a month ago, he did the very same thing as he's doing here, and now he's doing it again. I think that's what Nancy meant by "stack dumping", and those of you who are friends of his can defend him all you want, but it's still mean and nasty when he 'dumps' on someone the way he does. There is no excuse for mean and nasty on this board.
Toni
There is no excuse for mean and nasty on this board
and would you please explain to everyone what you just posted then? Inquiry minds want to know...
You do have a knack for sticking your foot in your mouth Toni, I'll give you that.
No, this time I just got fed up with your meanness, and felt I would answer in kind.
T
BTW, did you actually read the reason I said the things I did, or are you just looking for something that you can try to embarrass me with? Because, believe it or not, I am not embarrassed, there really isn't anything you can say that would cause that.