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Title: Mother and Child Parking spots ?
Post by: birol on Apr 27, 2004, 06:13 AM
In the supermarket parking lots these days there are new reserved spots :

Mother and Child parking

Pregnant Woman parking


Are we becoming little be too politicially correct ?  Where is father and child parking spots ?  If the same child comes to the supermarket with his./her father he/she has to suffer ? SInce when walking extra 50 feet become a suffering ? Fathers do not take their children to the supermarkets or malls ? How small is the child supposed to be ? WHy do we have to have reserved parking spcaes for children (with parents) anyways ? For all I know little rascals are mostly overweight anyways and could use a few extra steps. Oh yeah, the ones who are in strollers, they could easily be pushed in their strollers, My wife sued to walk/stroller carry two children to the mall right through a huge parking lot when we were in Saudi Arabia, under 110F sun ! Nothing happened to any of them because of it !

And I also thought that pregnant woman should be walking as much as they can, unless their doctor says NOT to, in which case they can easily get a temporary disabled parking permit.

Now if I saw signs which said Parent and small child parking, I would probably let it go, pregnant woman, not really. I guess woman are the major shoppers and retail industry is catering to them at the expense of man.

I always park at mother and child parking spaces when I am with DD, and if people give me a look, I mumble to myself loudly "HA ! Mother and child parking, Children have parents and that includes a father, what a sexist sign !" and walk away ....


Man oh man, I was really upset about this eh :) off the soap box now :):):)
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Post by: B-flat on Apr 27, 2004, 06:18 AM
Why not send your message to the store or mall manager with your complaint? (Next time just print up something and attach to sign:  "Father" and Child parking.")  I hate these modern day slip ups that alienate people.  All we have around here is "handicapped parking."
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Post by: Kelly on Apr 27, 2004, 08:38 AM
I think the ones at my grocery store say "Shoppers with small children" or something like that.   There are 2 handicapped spots, then a cart coral and then 4 of these spots ~ in two rows that face each other.  (did that make sense?).  There are also other handicapped spots.

Politically incorrect or not, I'm all for having spots for "shoppers with small children" ~ it puts me closer to the door and I don't have to worry as much crossing the parking lot with all the chirren in tow.  People drive in parking lots like they were still on the road!"

I agree with b-flat ~ offer the store an alternative wording.  Maybe they'll surprise you!
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 27, 2004, 08:45 AM
I thought this was heading for a joke.  We only have handicapped also.  Although, in some areas with crime the way it is, it could make sense.  
 
Although my big pet peeve is those who park in handicapped spots and are not.  My father had a handicapped sticker because of his emphezyma and chronic heart failure (had to pull over 1 time because he had trouble breathing and he couldn't even turn a screw because it took his breath away), but he never used it was he always felt there were others who needed it more.
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Post by: griffsmom on Apr 27, 2004, 08:54 AM
Quote from: birolSInce when walking extra 50 feet become a suffering ?
Good point, birol. I never cease to be astounded by the driver who will wait on someone going to their car, loading their purchases, putting their shopping cart up, and then slowly, ever so slowly, getting into the car, buckling the seat belt, putting the car in reverse and finally backing up, when the driver could have parked a few spaces further back and probably already have been into the store by now. But they just don't want to walk the extra 20 feet. :confused: :rolleyes: :screwy:
 
Worse yet are those cars that will see me (when I'm by myself) with all my packages, and a small child and wait on me IMPATIENTLY! I'm trying to get Griffin into his car seat, buckle up his seat belt against his resistance, put the stuff in the car, and the people are honking at me to hurry up!!!! I just want to scream "HEY BUDDY!!! DO YOU NOT SEE ME STUGGGLING BY MYSELF WITH AN UNCOOPERATIVE 3 Y/O AND ALL THESE GROCERIES???? THERE'S ANOTHER SPACE JUST FOUR SPACES BACK. THE WALK'LL DO YOU GOOD!!!! ":swear: Instead, I just move a little slower.  ;) :Z
 
Whew. Well, I'm glad to have gotten that off my chest. Thanks for listening.:)
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Post by: campingboaters on Apr 27, 2004, 09:03 AM
In our area, we have the "pregnant mother" or "SHOPPERS with infants or SMALL children" spots at a couple supermarkets and at the "R Us" stores.  
 
While they are somewhat of an annoyance now that I "can't" use them, I have used them.  There is NOTHING like having to walk more than you have to when you are 9 months pregnant and just getting out of a chair (or car) is a chore.  And then, getting out to the market with an infant in an infant car seat is TOO heavy to carry for any length of time after you just gave birth -- not to mention if you have another small child in tow too!   Parking lots are VERY dangerous places for children.  I didn't use those spots unless I felt I really had to as there might have been others that REALLY needed those spots.
 
It's like the handicap spots.  While they might be empty most of the time, I would NEVER park in one in case someone (that really was handicapped) needed that spot.  
 
I think you were just ticked at the wording on the sign and you should complain to that store.
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Post by: AustinBoston on Apr 27, 2004, 09:31 AM
Quote from: griffsmomWorse yet are those cars that will see me (when I'm by myself) with all my packages, and a small child and wait on me IMPATIENTLY! I'm trying to get Griffin into his car seat, buckle up his seat belt against his resistance, put the stuff in the car, and the people are honking at me to hurry up!!!!

That's when I decide I'm not done shopping, and leave the car to go back in the store.

Austin
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 27, 2004, 09:35 AM
Quote from: AustinBostonThat's when I decide I'm not done shopping, and leave the car to go back in the store.
 
Austin
Been there done that .... just for meanness:Z .  Just love to piss off some people when they are so impatient
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Post by: birol on Apr 27, 2004, 10:43 AM
I have to confess, it is the wording which ticked me off, I agree that sometimes those spots might come in handy, the way some children misbehave sometimes.

Our DS was known to throw himself to the ground at toy stores screaming and shouting trying to make us buy a toy.  We would just walk to the edge of the aisle, he couldn't see us but we could see him. it was a rude awakening that mom and dad had left him there while he was at the best part of his tantrum. We had to cure the tantrum this way twice, it was permanently cured the second time. Umm, he was around 3 years old or so, maybe 4, tops. I hope we did not cause him irrecovarable  psychological damage which will rqeuire him to have life long threpay and  counselling because of our extremely abusive behaviour  while trying to teach him what is acceptable behaviour :Z
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 27, 2004, 11:22 AM
Quote from: birolI have to confess, it is the wording which ticked me off, I agree that sometimes those spots might come in handy, the way some children misbehave sometimes.
 
Our DS was known to throw himself to the ground at toy stores screaming and shouting trying to make us buy a toy. We would just walk to the edge of the aisle, he couldn't see us but we could see him. it was a rude awakening that mom and dad had left him there while he was at the best part of his tantrum. We had to cure the tantrum this way twice, it was permanently cured the second time. Umm, he was around 3 years old or so, maybe 4, tops. I hope we did not cause him irrecovarable psychological damage which will rqeuire him to have life long threpay and counselling because of our extremely abusive behaviour while trying to teach him what is acceptable behaviour :Z
Maybe this could explain a lot....:Z;)
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Post by: birol on Apr 27, 2004, 11:25 AM
Hey we did the best we could at the time :) live and learn ..... :D
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Post by: griffsmom on Apr 27, 2004, 11:31 AM
Quote from: angelsmom10Been there done that .... just for meanness:Z . Just love to piss off some people when they are so impatient
my dh calls that "messin' with them"  my ds calls that being a "stink pot" :J
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Post by: griffsmom on Apr 27, 2004, 11:33 AM
Quote from: birolI hope we did not cause him irrecovarable psychological damage which will rqeuire him to have life long threpay and counselling because of our extremely abusive behaviour while trying to teach him what is acceptable behaviour :Z
Of course you did.  It's expected of you to do so.  I think it's even written down (Parental Duty # 43) in the Parent Responsibility Handbook that comes with all kids. ;) :J
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Post by: Kelly on Apr 27, 2004, 11:43 AM
Quote from: griffsmomOf course you did.  It's expected of you to do so.  I think it's even written down (Parental Duty # 43) in the Parent Responsibility Handbook that comes with all kids. ;) :J


LOL ~ My philosophy is this ~
I'm gonna mess the kids up ... it just won't be in the same way my parents messed me up!  :D


"Parenting is like building a boat you will eventually launch.  The building process is gratifying , but so is launching the boat and seeing that what you've built can handle the seas."  Laurence Steinberg
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Post by: birol on Apr 27, 2004, 01:54 PM
I like the way Kelly stated this !  

Here is to Kelly  :!


Quote from: KellyLOL ~ My philosophy is this ~
I'm gonna mess the kids up ... it just won't be in the same way my parents messed me up!  :D


"Parenting is like building a boat you will eventually launch.  The building process is gratifying , but so is launching the boat and seeing that what you've built can handle the seas."  Laurence Steinberg
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Post by: Acts 2:38 girl on Apr 28, 2004, 06:09 AM
I don't use any of those spots now, because I try to park at the end of the lot and walk for more exercise.  Plus it gives me more time to threated the children that there will be no "treat" if they misbehave.  But, that being said, I love those special spots.  When they were younger and ages 1,2, and 5 - it was wonderful not to have to walk them all up to the store (never a cart when you need one).  And we won't even talk about when I was pregnant and could barely get my shoes on!!  :p
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 28, 2004, 08:17 AM
Quote from: griffsmomOf course you did. It's expected of you to do so. I think it's even written down (Parental Duty # 43) in the Parent Responsibility Handbook that comes with all kids. ;) :J
Hey, you got a handbook...... we didn't :J:J
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Post by: birol on Apr 28, 2004, 08:19 AM
the one we had was in that weird language Nightowl and Cindy speaks, so we didn't understand a thing :)
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Post by: vjm1639 on Apr 28, 2004, 08:36 AM
Quote from: birolI have to confess, it is the wording which ticked me off, I agree that sometimes those spots might come in handy, the way some children misbehave sometimes.
 
Our DS was known to throw himself to the ground at toy stores screaming and shouting trying to make us buy a toy. We would just walk to the edge of the aisle, he couldn't see us but we could see him. it was a rude awakening that mom and dad had left him there while he was at the best part of his tantrum. We had to cure the tantrum this way twice, it was permanently cured the second time. Umm, he was around 3 years old or so, maybe 4, tops. I hope we did not cause him irrecovarable psychological damage which will rqeuire him to have life long threpay and counselling because of our extremely abusive behaviour while trying to teach him what is acceptable behaviour :Z
LOL.. IT took ONE time of pitching a fit for my son... he was almost three years old and we had gone shopping. I told him he could have one small toy. He rather quickly picked out the toy he wanted. We walked down the isle to leave that area of the store and he saw another toy he wanted. He asked for it....I told him  he could have either toy, but he had to put back one of them, that he only got one toy.  He looked at me, said, "NO...both toys".  I told him firmly but quietly, "You may have ONE toy. You can choose which ONE you want or get neither."  He immediately started screaming and crying that he wanted both toys.  I took the toys out of his hand, put them back on the shelf, picked up my son from the seat of the basket and promptly carried his little screaming self out to the car, put him in his car seat, and drove home. I never said another word...but ya know what...he never, ever pitched a fit in a store again!
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Post by: garym053 on Apr 28, 2004, 03:05 PM
Personally, I think they ought to put "husband of a pregnant woman" parking spots RIGHT next to the door. THAT way they can pick up the Pistachio Ice Cream and Onion Rings and get home in time to escape the wrath of hormones!!!!
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Post by: birol on Apr 28, 2004, 03:06 PM
Very funng Garym053 :) There could be alot of derivations of this :)
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Post by: tlhdoc on Apr 28, 2004, 09:10 PM
Quote from: AustinBostonThat's when I decide I'm not done shopping, and leave the car to go back in the store.

Austin

Quote from: angelsmom10Been there done that .... just for meanness:Z .  Just love to piss off some people when they are so impatient


I can't believe you would waste your time by going back into the store. :yikes:   You must have a lot more free time than I do. :eyecrazy:

Did you ever think, maybe the person is sick or has a sick child and is going to pick up medicine?  There could be an important reason the person is in a hurry.
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Post by: B-flat on Apr 28, 2004, 10:10 PM
Gary, don't forget to pick up the hotdogs or the pickles on the way home.  rotflol!  :J  :sombraro:  :!
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Post by: birol on Apr 29, 2004, 06:44 AM
If I am in a hurry to get medicine, I am not going to wait for someone to get into their car and get out, I am parking at the first available spot and run to the store. besides, if you desperately need a medicine, hospitals or your doctor usually give a few to start you off anyways, so I would not be really considering that an emergency, sorry  :yikes: besides if they are in real real hurry they would also not wait for a nearby spot, that shows laziness, and they just might as well have to pay the price (being delayed) for their laziness habit.

I like the idea of  walking back to the store :) I have never honked anyone to leave their spot (yeah sometimes there are NO spots to park so you wait for anyone to leave anywhere in the parking lot, and I never got honked. But I am sure I would move slower if someone showed signs of impatience ..... I am not one to move slowly anyways, so if they think I am slow, I will show them slow :)

soap box mode off :)
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 29, 2004, 08:31 AM
Quote from: garym053Personally, I think they ought to put "husband of a pregnant woman" parking spots RIGHT next to the door. THAT way they can pick up the Pistachio Ice Cream and Onion Rings and get home in time to escape the wrath of hormones!!!!
Yeah, but that should have a time frame listed... valid only midnight to 5am...
 
When I was pregnant with our oldes, I craved "White Castles", which was nice as they were open 24/7; and with the youngest is was KFC biscuits which was bad as they closed around 10pm locally.
 
I never had those weird combinations.... just FOOD
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Post by: Calstate361 on Apr 29, 2004, 09:28 AM
Back to the part about a parentiing book....I heard on our local news here in Sacramento, CA last night, that they want to required a parenting class for high school graduation.  I didn't hear if it was statewide or just in Sacramento.  If they do it, maybe you could find out what book they are using and purchase one!  

 
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Joan
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Post by: angelsmom10 on Apr 29, 2004, 10:13 AM
Quote from: Calstate361Back to the part about a parentiing book....I heard on our local news here in Sacramento, CA last night, that they want to required a parenting class for high school graduation. I didn't hear if it was statewide or just in Sacramento. If they do it, maybe you could find out what book they are using and purchase one!
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 Joan
Our oldest DD in HS had a class where they had a raw egg, had to name it, dress it, take care of it, carry it everywhere, if they wanted to go out without the egg..they'd have to find a babysitter.  Basically like a baby, and the goal was to keep it for as long as possible, several didn't even make it home that day.  We were impressed, she made it about 2 wks; she was like in the last 5 to keep it from breaking and as she put it "it wasn't my fault". but we said that doesn't matter if it were a real baby... it's your responsiblity to be sure that nothing happens.
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Post by: AustinBoston on Apr 29, 2004, 02:44 PM
Quote from: garym053Personally, I think they ought to put "husband of a pregnant woman" parking spots RIGHT next to the door. THAT way they can pick up the Pistachio Ice Cream and Onion Rings and get home in time to escape the wrath of hormones!!!!

For that to succeed, they would also have to have "husband of a pregnant woman" lines at the check out and "husband of a pregnant woman" lanes (with priority) at all stop lights.

Austin
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Post by: griffsmom on Apr 29, 2004, 03:45 PM
Quote from: angelsmom10Our oldest DD in HS had a class where they had a raw egg, had to name it, dress it, take care of it, carry it everywhere, if they wanted to go out without the egg..they'd have to find a babysitter. Basically like a baby, and the goal was to keep it for as long as possible, several didn't even make it home that day. We were impressed, she made it about 2 wks; she was like in the last 5 to keep it from breaking and as she put it "it wasn't my fault". but we said that doesn't matter if it were a real baby... it's your responsiblity to be sure that nothing happens.
When I was in HS, they ran a similar program but the kids had to carry around 5 lb bags of flour instead of an egg.  Parents had to sign something indicating that the kids carried through on the assignment when away from school.  The weight and cumbersomeness of the flour made some kids really stop to think about the responsibilities of parenthood and how babies aren't just cute little cuddly bundles of unconditional love.
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Post by: tlhdoc on Apr 29, 2004, 08:58 PM
Quote from: birolthey would also not wait for a nearby spot, that shows laziness, and they just might as well have to pay the price (being delayed) for their laziness habit.

OK, how about this.  What if a person is hurt, recently had surgery, was in a car accident, etc. where walking is a problem, but they do not qualify for handicap parking?

FYI doctors don't have samples of all prescriptions to hand out to patients.  If they prescribe a medication they don't have samples of you have to buy a prescription.  I have never been given samples of medication at the emergency room.

I still can't believe people waist time and energy just to aggravate others and that they "Just love to piss off some people".
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Post by: birol on Apr 29, 2004, 09:06 PM
After my car accident, I didn't get a disabled sticker ... I was limping really badly, and could not walk faster then a snail, but I did walk and used the empty spaces.

Maybe it is different in USA, but In Canada (at least in our experience), if you need some medication and can leave the emergency department, they give a  few pills to start you off.

If somebody really can not walk extra 30 feet to go to the pharmacy, I think the best thing to do is for someone else to get the medicine or call a pharmacy which does delivery (we have tons of them here). Most of the people I see who want to park very close to the entrances are perfectly healthy young to middle age people. They did not figure out yet walking will save them from having to really park next to the store entrances at a later stage !




Quote from: tlhdocOK, how about this.  What if a person is hurt, recently had surgery, was in a car accident, etc. where walking is a problem, but they do not qualify for handicap parking?

FYI doctors don't samples of all prescriptions to hand out to patients.  If they prescribe a medication they don't have samples of you have to buy a prescription.  I have never been given samples of medication at the emergency room.

I still can't believe people waist time and energy just to aggravate others and that they "Just love to piss off some people".
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Post by: B-flat on Apr 29, 2004, 10:58 PM
I betcha 10 to 1 that the majority of those PITneck impatient folks wanting to run over you to make you leave the parking space are too lazy to walk from a distance.  I equate some of them in the same category of road ragers and the ones who tailgate on the highway as though they own the road and can break the speed limit any time they want.  Anyone with a real medical emergency for prescriptions in NC can have it called in and then pick it up when ready.
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Post by: birol on Apr 30, 2004, 05:46 AM
All I want is for the sgn to say "PARENT AND CHILD" parking ! Where are all the woman who say we are only after equality now ? Isn't this little bit too equal ?  :Z I will complain to the store managers about the sexist signs they have and see where it goes ...
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Post by: tlhdoc on Apr 30, 2004, 05:49 AM
Quote from: B-flatI betcha 10 to 1 that the majority of those PITA impatient folks wanting to run over you to make you leave the parking space are to lazy to walk from a distance.

You are probably right about the numbers, but what about that one out of ten.  I have never had anyone honk their horn (maybe that is a city thing) but I have had people wait for my parking spot.  It doesn't matter to me if they want it, why are people so bothered about someone waiting for their parking spot.  My point is

Birol you live in a city.  I live in a rural area.  We have hitching post at the grocery store and at Wal-Mart they tie the horses to the light post.  We don't have any pharmacy that delivers.


You do not know why they are waiting and to assume that they are lazy isn't right.  You and I may not know.

For someone to go out of their way because they "Just love to piss off some people"  isn't right.  People with that attitude aggravate situations and don't help.  I know someone is prison because they shot a neighbor, it was over who had to clean up the apples that fell from a tree.  He knows it wasn't worth it, but couldn't help pissing off the other party. :)
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Post by: birol on Apr 30, 2004, 06:08 AM
You have a point there, but when you see time and again that they are waiting (for up to 5 minutes) just not to walk 50 feet extra, I am afraid every one gets painted with the same brush.

I won't answer your pissing off sentence as I agree with that, it is not worth as people are crazy and they shoot each other for no good reason ! (OK do not ask me what a good reason is, I come from a country where a family STRANGLED their 14 year old daughter because she was raped and was considered not honorable anymore  :mad:  :banghead: ). I don't think I would shoot anyone for something as simple as a parking place but I am sure there are people who would do it. I don't let people walk all over me but I also try not aggravate people.




Quote from: tlhdocYou do not know why they are waiting and to assume that they are lazy isn't right.  You and I may not know.

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Post by: B-flat on Apr 30, 2004, 06:44 AM
I have never intentionally gone back into a store from my car when I knew someone was waiting for the parking spot.  For someone to be sitting there honking  is being overly  aggressive and very rude and this does not help, either.  Honking and edging up on someone already in the space is a sure sign of rudeness that will provoke some people.  In our area, most people simply wait for the space without honking because they are respectful toward the person who already occupies the space.  In the one time someone honked at me, I got out of the space and pulled up a bit and waited for the driver to get out and asked if he had an emergency or something I could help him with to which he answered that he had  just wanted an up close parking space.  I have yet to see anyone who had a real emergency when someone cut me off and zipped into a parking space when they were coming from the wrong direction, either.  I have watched folks like that go into the store and they are just looking at stuff and not going to a pharmacy or even the bathroom, for that matter.

I have done a lot of quiet observations of the particular situation and my opinion is still the same:  they want an up close parking space so they don't have to walk very far and they don't have an emergency plus they are rude when they honk.  I have yet to see anyone all crippled up or anyone with difficulty walking that just had to rudely honk for a parking space.

(And, I was talking money there on the bet of 10 to 1 :D  :p  ;)  )