Looks like I need to have this thing registered in MA to be able to get license plates.
How long does that take anyone knows ? Canadian MTO (Our DMV) will not issue a trip permit since it is not even a Canadian vehicle yet. MA RMV does not issue temporary tags ... I hope I am nit in a bind here ! I would have to hate having to register pay 5% taxes, and 50 bucks for the license plates just for a days trip !
I don't think it is wise to tow it when it has no license plates right ? I would surely be pulled over :(
I am already paying 50 bucks extra to get the title (They don't have it) and hoping that I don't ahve to keep spending money .....
Any ideas ?
Birol, I'm thinking there is (or was) a law in Oklahoma that trailers made before a certain date didn't have to be tagged. We had a really old PU, made in around 1965 that didn't need a tag. I'll ask DH more about that - I might be remembering it wrong. Anyway, you might check with a tag agency in the states you'll be pulling it through. If it doesn't need a tag in the US, then you won't have to worry about it until you pass the border. Maybe you can find a tag agency in the US online and e-mail them, explaining your dilemna.
I sent an e-mail to the Mass. DMV and explained the situation .... Hopefully they read e-mail ... I don't want to be on hold 15 minutes long distance just to ask them a simple question. I hope you are right that they don't require it ... Once I am in Canada, I don't have to worry as with the customs papers I have 7 days to register it. They won't care if it has no license plates as it was just imported.
Quote from: Miss-TeriBirol, I'm thinking there is (or was) a law in Oklahoma that trailers made before a certain date didn't have to be tagged. We had a really old PU, made in around 1965 that didn't need a tag. I'll ask DH more about that - I might be remembering it wrong. Anyway, you might check with a tag agency in the states you'll be pulling it through. If it doesn't need a tag in the US, then you won't have to worry about it until you pass the border. Maybe you can find a tag agency in the US online and e-mail them, explaining your dilemna.
Hey Mr B........ Congrats again.
I know nuthing bout crossing borders???
But IMO as far as I know......... a temporary permit or license is just what they give you when you apply for the real license.
I have never heard of one issued just to tranport a trailer?
I would think as long as you have a title and a receipt for your purchase. It would be yours, then bring it home and registar it there.
I can't imagine you as a Canadian would or even could registar anything in the US.
Mass. DMV does not issue temporary tags :( That is the problem .. If I have no tags on it, I am sure to stopped by highway patrols and fined .... I don't think they will care that I purchased it and just taking it home. As far as they are concerned, it is a trailer on the roads with no license plates.
I don't want to register it :) and As you said, I am not even sure if I can register it, as I don't live in USA.
Quote from: JeffreyHey Mr B........ Congrats again.
I know nuthing bout crossing borders???
But IMO as far as I know......... a temporary permit or license is just what they give you when you apply for the real license.
I have never heard of one issued just to tranport a trailer?
I would think as long as you have a title and a receipt for your purchase. It would be yours, then bring it home and registar it there.
I can't imagine you as a Canadian would or even could registar anything in the US.
QuoteIf I have no tags on it, I am sure to stopped by highway patrols and fined .... I don't think they will care that I purchased it and just taking it home.
If they stop you, tell them you bought it and are taking it home.
Just, Show them the receipt and title. ( They have to allow you to get it home. Unless they think a member of your DMV is going to follow to MA to buy it?)
I think that's all a officer woud want to see, so they know your not stealing it.
A permit or license isn't really a toll to use the road.
Of course that's usually where the fees go, for the roads.
But they don't charge Canadians tolls to use our roads.
Except of course roads with tolls...:screwy:
Since it is a trailer, that is really what I am thinking of doing ... Even if it is not completely legal, they might just allow me to continue ... I do not see being arrested for it :eyecrazy:
Quote from: JeffreyIf they stop you, tell them you bought it and are taking it home.
Just, Show them the receipt and title.
I think that's all a officer woud want to see, so they know your not stealing it.
A permit or license isn't really a toll to use the road.
Of course that's usually where the fees go, for the roads.
But they don't charge Canadians tolls to use our roads.
Except of course roads with tolls...
I do believe that you can do that, transport it home. If you are unsure, ask the DMV about a transport tag, but it seems like you are allowed to transport it home without tags. But you have to show receipt that you have just purchased it, probably title as well.
T
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A police friend of mine has always said "ignorance is not an excuse"; so I'd be sure before you try that.
Contact the place again and get their email and correspond everything via email and keep all the emails.
Ask for their help. They should know who to contact to get this information. If they want your business, they will sure help.
Just my 2cents
ALSO, maybe we can find someone in MA that can make calls for you and it won't cost you an arm and a leg.
wiininkwe makes a good point, many state issue transporter tags. It might just be a matter of mentioning the word transporter rather than temperary. Because temp licenses and plates are issue to cover the period between requests for them and the actual receipt of the licenses or plates.
Transporter tags are specifically designed for moving a vehicle from one location to another and would get you to the border.
Birol...I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... it looks like in MA, it will take 6-8 weeks to get the title. The dealer can submit the rquired forms for you but it takes 6-8 weeks to get the title in hand. (617) 351-4500 is the phone # for MA RMV Customer Service.
Called Mass. DMV, but was on hold for more than ten minutes, hanged up without being able to talk with anyone :(
He said that he can get it in three days as they have special section or something. It is 6 to 8 weeks if I applied for it. Asked him twice , hope he knows what he is talking about ....
Quote from: MommaMiaBirol...I hate to be the bearer of bad news but.... it looks like in MA, it will take 6-8 weeks to get the title. The dealer can submit the rquired forms for you but it takes 6-8 weeks to get the title in hand. (617) 351-4500 is the phone # for MA RMV Customer Service.
Birol--my darling oldest SIL (a very bright man) ALWAYS gets the name and title and department of ANYONE he talks to on the phone, notes where they can be reached, and any other information about them in case, later, he has to refer to them or the information they give him. Also, take detailed notes about the questions you ask and the specific response each person gives to each question so that later, you know exactly what each person told you..
Print all this up and have it in your car on your trip in case you need to refer to any of this or explain it to some member of law enforcement so they know you looked into following legal procedures and are doing your best to do the right thing..
As well, ANY information you receive via e-mail from any officials or state offices regarding registration or towing permits, should be printed up and taken with you on your journey to pick up the new pu and return home with it.
Like the others here, it doesnt make sense to me that you'd be forced to buy tags or registration for a vehicle which will not "reside" in the US. In fact, I towed my TM home from the dealer 120 miles (and right thru the center of Atlanta) with no sign of a tag on it and no one even looked at me, much less stopped me.
Even worse, I COMPLETELY forgot the tags, and when I towed it to Michigan a month later, drove there and back completely ignored by everyone, STILL with no tags on it. (Of course, it was pure, dumb luck) This was a 1,500 mile round trip with no one asking me anything about anything re: registation or tags, titles, etc. It was like I was invisible.. Weird.
You might not be so lucky, though, so err on the side of caution.
Sorry about your tag troubles, hopefully you can get it with out to much hassel... Since I dont live in MASS I dont know the laws, but I would think if you called a mass Rv dealer asking about purchasing a rv and taking it back to Canada they may be able to tell you how to go about it....
Maybe you should just move to the states and then you won't have to worry about the border etc :):)
Birol,
I would warn you against taking advice from anyone who doesn't live in Massachusetts. It is a different kind of state. I know, I lived there for 43 1/2 years (at least 25 years too many).
Some states may allow you to pull a trailer without tags, but I don't believe you can do that in Mass. (In Mass., they're called plates. Nobody there knows what you are talking about if you say Tags).
In addition, if you have a vehicle without liability insurance, they will seize it on the spot and you will watch them tow it away. You won't get it back until you have proof of insurance. Guess how many insurance agencies are going to sell you insurance in Massachusetts when you don't have a Massachusetts address.
They do not honor the transfer laws of other states. Although constitutionally, they are supposed to, do you want to be the challenge case that pursues it all the way to the US Supreme Court? It would cost millions of US dollars to do so. I didn't think so. They most certanly do not honor the transfer laws of other countries/provinces.
Another problem is that without a Massachusetts address, they can't refer the correct city or town for vehicle excise tax. You have to pay that to the town you live in to keep a Mass. plate (not to get one), but you don't have a Mass. address!
Proceed cautiosly on this. Consider driving thru Connecticut to New York in order to avoid driving in Mass. I'm not joking. Once you have legitemate plates, It's a great place to visit. But make sure you have your T's crossed and your i's dotted when you do.
Austin
It doesn't look good ! here is the answer from Mass. RMV :
Thank you for contacting the Registry's website with your question.
In order to tow the trailer the trailer must be registered. I suggest
you contact your Department of Motor Vehicles to see if you can register
the trailer in Canada then bring the number plate to Massachusetts and
attach it to the trailer before you drive back to Canada. If that
doesn't work you can have the trailer brought to Canada on a flat bed
truck. I don't think you'll be able to register it in Massachusetts
because:
The trailer must be insured before it can be registered and it may be
very hard to find a Massachusetts insurance company to issue a policy
for only a trailer to a person who does not have a Massachusetts
license.
If the trailer has a gross vehicle weight rating of over three thousand
pounds it must be titled and the title department will not mail a title
outside of Massachusetts.
If you have further questions regarding this matter, please feel free to
respond to this e-mail message
Our MTO said they won't license the trailer without the customs papers already.
I am wondering if it would work if someone purchased the trailer got the license plates and then sold it to me .......the trailer would have license plates .....and I would be able to drive it ...
AB, I asked the best about it :) Can't blame me for going to the source :) I took your advise :)
Any chance I could get temporary plates say in new York for this Trailer ? tell them what is going on ? would they entertain such a request ? I could do that as soon as I cross the border.
Briol, Tom is right. In Mass you will HAVE to have plates. If you are pulled over in Mass. at the very least, the camper will be towed to the nearest impound lot at a $75 tow and $20 per day storage untill you can show leagaly prof you can tow it on the road (yes, the day it get's towed is a $20 storage fee too $95 min.) Also, in Mass. you trailer does not have liability insurance. It must follow a Mass insurance policy on a car. They will say you must provide plates from your home state. Also. in Mass, a trailer 2k and under will not need a title. I understand you may need one in Canada, though. This may be as quick as 2-6 weeks, they are getting better. It used to take 2-4 months for one to show up. I hate to say it, but be reeady for a wait. IMHO, now... I would seriously look into how much it would cost to rent a u-haul with a car trailer to pick it up. Or some other way you could put it on a flat bed trailer. I am unsure how it would work to rent a car in Canada, drive down to the u-haul place in Mass, leave the rent a car and bring the truck back and leave that there in Canada.Might be a cheaper option. Got any good friends with a big truck & flatbed trailer?? Maybe look into compaines that can load it on a trailer and haul up to you??
LOL.. didn't see Briols reply above me... Looks like I was almost 100% correct!
BTW, if you end up needing the title mailed within Mass. Me parents still live in Mass, it could go there.
Where in Mass is the trailer? You may be able to go thru CT as well. I know the trailer will need a vin check, But we have Temp plates.. I wonder what insurance would be on it, say if the trailer plates were in my name with your van towing it. Then apply for a title from CT (We don't need one for under 3k so we dont need a Mass title to get temp plates for CT.
Trailer is in Millis, only 16 miles from CT ! I could just whip it by, there but with my luck I would get caught. Does CT issue temporary licenses ? Do you think you could get one for it ? I would pay all of your expenses. Then I would just tow it Through CT and NY like AB said. I don't even think that any STate would issue me temporary licenses as I am not a USA resident. Insurance would not be a problem as my insurer always provides covereg till I can get licenses for vehicles, they have a ten day ransition period .....
I am so disappointed after getting my hopes so high :(
I will also hammer the MTO tomorrow to see if they can issue temporary license for it on a bill of sale !
Quote from: Firefyter-EmtLOL.. didn't see Briols reply above me... Looks like I was almost 100% correct!
BTW, if you end up needing the title mailed within Mass. Me parents still live in Mass, it could go there.
Where in Mass is the trailer? You may be able to go thru CT as well. I know the trailer will need a vin check, But we have Temp plates.. I wonder what insurance would be on it, say if the trailer plates were in my name with your van towing it. Then apply for a title from CT (We don't need one for under 3k so we dont need a Mass title to get temp plates for CT.
First thing is first. The seller needs to get that title. I know that in MA trailers under 3000lbs don't require a title... But Birol, you need one to get it into Canada.
CT does have temporary registration.
Requirements for Obtaining a Temporary Registration
A temporary registration may be obtained for the purpose of a safety inspection and/or emissions test at any DMV Branch or Satellite Office . Please see Safety Inspections Performed at DMV for inspection information.
To obtain a temporary registration, you will need to provide the following information:
If currently titled, the Title Certificate of the former owner must also be presented, filled in, and signed on the reverse side, reporting sale to new owner.
Bill of Sale (form H-31).
Application for Registration and Certificate of Title (form H-13).
Your current Connecticut Insurance Identification Card, which can be obtained from your insurance company. The insurance card must be in the name of the registered owner(s) of the vehicle. If vehicle is being leased, the insurance card may be in the name of the lessee.
Identification will be required to register a vehicle. Please see list of Acceptable Forms of Identification. Photocopies of identification are acceptable if the registrant does not appear in person.
You should go through the safety inspection and/or emissions test within the first ten (10) days, in case repairs are required, because temporary registrations are not renewable.
You will have to pay sales tax at the time you purchase the temporary registration unless you meet the sales tax exemption qualification. Connecticut sales tax is 6% of the purchase price.
A vehicle exempt from sales tax by a family or business relationship cannot be registered if the transferor (seller) owes delinquent property taxes on the vehicle, in which case a tax receipt would have to be shown, or if the vehicle is listed as suspended. The same applies for the person registering the vehicle.
Note: Vehicles cannot be registered if delinquent property tax or parking tickets are owed or if the registrant has had his/her registration privilege suspended.
The following is a list of temporary registrations by type, duration, and fee:
Motorcycle 10 day $7
Camp Trailer 10 day $7
Camper 10 day $11
Passenger 20 day $14
Commercial 10 day $25
Commercial 10 day $46 (with a carrying capacity of over 3 tons)
http://www.dmv.org/ct-connecticut/dmv-vehicle-registration.php
I would talk with the seller. He, being a MA car salesman, most likely knows best what to do. Otherwise, it looks like maybe having Lee make the purchase and register it in CT should work. Then you would purchase it from him. That is if Lee is willing to do that.
Technically, to register it in CT you are supposed to have proof of CT insurance. That would mean Lee would have to get insurance on it for a few days, which I am sure B would reimburse for... as well as the CT temorary registration fee, CT title fee, Sales tax needs to be paid at the time you register too.
But about the insurance... and I know this from experience... we lived in CT until last Aug. When you show proof of insurance, the proof for your tow vehicle suffices for the camper. In CT, once the camper is hooked up to the tow vehicle, it is covered by the tow vehicles policy. This was what we did and our tow vehicles insurance co., USAA confirmed it. We registered 2 different trailers, one a utility trailer and one a pu, this way. So Lee wouldn't have to add anything to his auto ins policy.
BTW.... don't get down that you'll end up not getting the camper. I see NO reason why you won't get it. All of it is do-able. One way or another. It's just means you may have to WAIT a couple-few weeks before you get it home. Hopefully the seller will let you leave it there for a while, or Lee can hang onto it for you. I know that Seller wanted balance paid in 5 days or something but if it's got no title yet and won't for many days I'd think he would be flexible on the pick up timeframe.
To be honest, I am just about to throw the towel in ....
I am sure Lee is a very nice person, but, will he be willing to and have the time to register the Trailer on his name and go trough the temporary registration thing. he would most probably be required to go get the trailer from Millis Mass, as I wouldn't be able to get it. Or could he just do all the stuff and I would pass by him and get the temporary registration and go to Millis and get the Trailer and drive through CT and NY ? I am sure the selling place would have no problems sending the title and bill of sale to him ....
It is a lot to ask of him to do that .......
He will go for the title on Monday and will have it by Thursday ..... He is very sure of that. He sold a lot of cars to Canadians, but all of them were carried by flatbed trailers to the border ..... For a reason :)
I asked him if he would buy it himself and get license plates and sell it to me personally :) that way it would have plates and I could just drive it away ....
I think this won't go through though. IT became too complicated :(
Quote from: MommaMiaBTW.... don't get down that you'll end up not getting the camper. I see NO reason why you won't get it. All of it is do-able. One way or another. It's just means you may have to WAIT a couple-few weeks before you get it home. Hopefully the seller will let you leave it there for a while, or Lee can hang onto it for you. I know that Seller wanted balance paid in 5 days or something but if it's got no title yet and won't for many days I'd think he would be flexible on the pick up timeframe.
Quote from: birolTo be honest, I am just about to throw the towel in ....
I am sure Lee is a very nice person, but, will he be willing to and have the time to register the Trailer on his name and go trough the temporary registration thing. he would most probably be required to go get the trailer from Millis Mass, as I wouldn't be able to get it. Or could he just do all the stuff and I would pass by him and get the temporary registration and go to Millis and get the Trailer and drive through CT and NY ? I am sure the selling place would have no problems sending the title and bill of sale to him ....
It is a lot to ask of him to do that .......
Lee and Andrea had already mentioned going with you to get the camper.
If Lee would be willing to go the extra mile for you.....
Lee would have to "purchase the camper" (with your money that you send to him) from the dealer, getting title in Lee's name.
Getting a temp registration in CT is simple. He doesn't need the trailer there to do it. Once he gets the temp plates you meet him in Millis to pick up the camper.
Once the camper has temp CT plates on it, you CAN legally drive it in Mass.
Lee would then sign the title over to you, give you an official bill of sale (which he can pick up at DMV). Hook the camper up to your van and you are on your way.
THIS IS DONE ALL THE TIME!!!!!
Quote from: birolI asked him if he would buy it himself and get license plates and sell it to me personally :) that way it would have plates and I could just drive it away ....
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No it wouldn't.... Plates would be removed when the vehicle was sold to you. Plates don't go with the vehicle.
C,
You make it sound simple ! he doesn't even have to go to the dealer ! I would pay the dealer and tell him to have it sold to lee and send all the papers to him. Once he gets the temporary license, I go and get the license from him and he sells it to me, I get the title also right ? and I go and put the temporary plates on it and drive home!
Hmmm, what do you say Lee ? I will pay all of your expenses of course and then make it up to you ;) and I get to see the Cutie pie maybe :)
Where do Lee & Andrea live again ?
Fingers crossed .....
Quote from: MommaMiaLee and Andrea had already mentioned going with you to get the camper.
If Lee would be willing to go the extra mile for you.....
Lee would have to "purchase the camper" (with your money that you send to him) from the dealer, getting title in Lee's name.
Getting a temp registration in CT is simple. He doesn't need the trailer there to do it. Once he gets the temp plates you meet him in Millis to pick up the camper.
Once the camper has temp CT plates on it, you CAN legally drive it in Mass.
Lee would then sign the title over to you, give you an official bill of sale (which he can pick up at DMV). Hook the camper up to your van and you are on your way.
Then same thing would happen when Lee sells it to me though ? I was thinking I would mail the dealers plates back once I cross the border.
Quote from: MommaMiaNo it wouldn't.... Plates would be removed when the vehicle was sold to you. Plates don't go with the vehicle.
Quote from: birolC,
You make it sound simple ! he doesn't even have to go to the dealer ! I would pay the dealer and tell him to have it sold to lee and send all the papers to him. Once he gets the temporary license, I go and get the license from him and he sells it to me, I get the title also right ? and I go and put the temporary plates on it and drive home!
Hmmm, what do you say Lee ? I will pay all of your expenses of course and then make it up to you ;) and I get to see the Cutie pie maybe :)
Where do Lee & Andrea live again ?
Fingers crossed .....
Yes... it is that simple. It's done all the time. Just make sure that Lee gives you a proper bill of sale with all the info that Canadian customs will require... and HAVE LEE GET IT NOTORIZED!!! Also, make sure that Lee fills out the title properly. There are spaces to fill in on the back when Title is transfered from one owner to the next.
That is.... IF Lee will do it!!! All this talk about him doing it and we don't even have confirmation yet. But I remember how accomodating they were when you were planning to get their camper. I just can't imagine that Lee wouldn't help make this work for you! Right Lee???
Quote from: birolI was thinking I would mail the dealers plates back once I cross the border.
I highly doubt the dealer would let you take his plates.
The temporary CT plates are cardboard. You don't turn those in anywhere. They have an expiration date written on them. They'll do to get you to the border.
Silence is deafening :p :p :p
I am sure If he can he will, if not I will understand, gulp, and continue the quest for another one, BUT NOT IN MASSCHUSETTES ! You guys sure have weird states hehehe.
Quote from: birolSilence is deafening :p :p :p
I am sure If he can he will, if not I will understand, gulp, and continue the quest for another one, BUT NOT IN MASSCHUSETTES ! You guys sure have weird states hehehe.
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO FIND A DIFFERENT CAMPER! This will work out.
Birol posted:
"You guys sure have weird states hehehe."
Want to move to NC? It's just like elisa said, you could come through here pulling a trailer with no plates (aka "tags" hehehe) and no one would bother you. Sometimes you see something like "Plates applied for" on a cardboard piece but all that would be necessary when an individual sells a trailer is to give the new owner a bill of sale for "just in case."
Birol, I believe the best solution I saw posted above. I'd head down here with the Windstar all set up and ready to tow, go to U-Haul and rent an auto hauler trailer for one way rental to Ontario (they do have U-Haul up there don't they??) load the PU onto the auto hauler trailer, that way you don't have to worry about Mass tags as the U-Haul will have legal tags on it. Just grab the trailer & title, load it up on the other trailer, and haul it back to Canada!
Then again, I just checked the U-haul website, seems the auto hauler trailer one way to Ontario will cost in excess of $400 USD... Hmmmmm. There is a way to do this, so don't dispair just yet!
If you went the U-haul route could you return it to a U-haul dealer just back inside of the US and save the $400.00? If you do this secure the PU very carefully.
Quote from: aw738If you went the U-haul route could you return it to a U-haul dealer just back inside of the US and save the $400.00? If you do this secure the PU very carefully.
THIS IS A BRILLIANT IDEA-:S:S
Maybe you could jUst rent a U-Haul for a few miles--THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM necessary to get the PU to a location where the tag isnt important and maybe Lee or someone could drive the Windstar until the Mass state line (or wherever) and then you could unload the pu, find a place to drop the truck (maybe Lee or some other helper or friend could even do this) Then hitch the pu to the Windstar and go home thru places that arent as picky about "plates"
Keep believing Birol--some of this may sound farfetched, but eventually someone will come up with information or ideas that will work!
Whew - I better tell my DH to get on here and post fast! I don't think any of it will be a problem Birol! We can't let you come this far for nothing!! DH is sleeping right now, but as soon as the sun comes up I'll get him out there to reply! :D No worries - I believe he will help you in any way he can! Before you know it - you'll be camping!!
Maybe someone could even loan you a set of plates off of another trailer so at least you could pull it to the boarder.
I have a set of license plates from my old car, which we did not return. I was thinking, if nothing else works, maybe I can just put one of them on the trailers back and make it to the border.
How would American Police offices would know that this is not the temporary plate I got just to bring the trailer ? In Ontario I would have to take them off of course ......
I am desperate :(
Quote from: aw738Maybe someone could even loan you a set of plates off of another trailer so at least you could pull it to the boarder.
In a lot of states trailer plates have diferent sequencing of numbers and letters to differenciate between vehicle and trailer, or even car and truck plates, so someone might look funny at that. On the other hand, just seeing plates may keep them from looking too close at all. This has to be driving you nuts B, but please hang in there, we're all watching, reading and trying our hardest to think of something to help you solve this dilemma. We'll come up with something yet, don't worry. I guess we could call this Birol's Great Adventure.
T
;)
I have got to check if the trailer plates are different in Ontario then Car plates ....
Definitely the cheapest and easiest way to do this the right way it for someone from CT to buy it for you, then you buy it from them. If Lee can't do it, I can see if my father can do it for you. He wouldn't even have to go to MA. He just needs to go to DMV and get you the temps you need. You'd have to pick up the paperwork from him, then you go to MA and pick up the camper.
If it was me. I would not put plates from anything else on there.
That's just trying to deceive them, if you do get stopped they would just wonder what else your up too.
I would rather have all the title, receipt, and prepaid insurance reciept.
If you need something to put on the PU, just make a copy of your receipt and tape it to the back. Since that's all thats required for you at home.
Would the seller just deliver outside of MA, so you don't have to deal with their wacko laws?
B, Jeffrey and Cindy both have good ideas, maybe the camper could be delivered to Lee or Cindy's Dad and they can have ct plates or paperwork ready for it. Have you heard anything more about the title search? Wish there was something that I could do, but from here, not so much.
T
;)
I have to say, I think I'm with Jeffrey on this one. As long as you have all of your paperwork, even if you did get stopped, I think you could prove your way out of this one. I would also not go home through Mass. even if it means taking the long way home. Get the pop-up and make a bee-line for the nearest border! :sombraro: Of Massachusetts, that is...
Quote from: B-flatBirol posted:
"You guys sure have weird states hehehe."
Want to move to NC? It's just like elisa said, you could come through here pulling a trailer with no plates (aka "tags" hehehe) and no one would bother you. Sometimes you see something like "Plates applied for" on a cardboard piece but all that would be necessary when an individual sells a trailer is to give the new owner a bill of sale for "just in case."
Those people pulling with no plates or 'tags applied for' are South Carolinians. And that is illegal to leave SC on those. (Not that it isn't done, it just isn't legal). SC recognizes those as legit for a while IN state, and that 'Tags applied for" is supposed to be a valid dealer plate (dealer/location clearly identified).
When we moved back to South Carolina, we had bought a car in PA, but the Temp Transit plates were to expire while visiting relatives in MD. At the time, we were technically Floridians, but since we had moved back to the States from Germany, we had no 'legal' US address. MD has temp plates, but only for cars that are bought in MD and being financed. No transit plates.
For us to get the car to SC, we had to register the car in MD, pay the 5% tax AND get plates.
Can Birol run on an open title and the original owner's plates in Mass?
Just wondered... The seller wanted 10% in 2 days (that would be today)with the balance in 5 days. Has he offered to extend that until after he gets the title in his hands? I am just curious as to how communication has been with him. HIs feedback seems to indicate that he is good about making the customer happy. Also, is he selling this through his business, or is he doing it as a private party sale? If it's through the business, is that how he is able to get a title in just a few days as opposed to 6-8 weeks like DMV says?
Quote from: wynotCan Birol run on an open title and the original owner's plates in Mass?
In a word... No. I spent many hours reading MA DMV (RMV) website yesterday.
Please don't mess with plates that don't belong on it. I had asked about open title earlier, because in MD you can technically do it - but at least the plates match the vehicle during sale.
Birol isn't just messing with interstate rules for the states, he's dealing with being from another country as well. Everything has to be above board while in the US, what he chooses to do once within Ontario is his great adventure.
Quote from: wynotPlease don't mess with plates that don't belong on it. I had asked about open title earlier, because in MD you can technically do it - but at least the plates match the vehicle during sale.
Birol isn't just messing with interstate rules for the states, he's dealing with being from another country as well. Everything has to be above board while in the US, what he chooses to do once within Ontario is his great adventure.
That's why IMO, having someone from CT buy it and get temp plates for it, then turn it over to Birol is the best way to go.
I hate to think of B getting stopped, halfway to Canada, and having his camper impounded. Not to mention the fines he would have to pay for misuse of marker plates.
He is selling it as a dealer, that is how he can get the title in three days. He is also trying to get a solution to the problem. I sent him the downpayment (100 usd), and we did not discuss the rest yet. We are both trying to close the deal, and I don't think he will insist on full payment if I can not take delivery of the trailer. Spoke with him several times, sounds like a very reasonable person.
I agree that the only way to proceesd is for someone to purchase it, (I asked him if he could do it for me) put license plates on it and turn around and sell it to me. I have to pay another 5% but it is worth it ......
I guess today or tomorrow I will find out how this is going to go ....
I gave up the idea slapping Ontario plates, the consequences could be severe if I get caught in States, and I have no idea how I would take them off before crossing the border .....
I am hoping that either the dealer (best way) or Lee or C's father can do me a favor. Otherwise it is a dead deal ....
Birol,
Both times I have purchased trailers, I closed the deal and paid for the trailer by FedEx. The seller sent me the receipt and title. I took those to my local DMV and got plates for the trailer before I picked it up. I also contacted the insurance company and added it to my policy. When we picked up the trailer, all we had to do was screw the plates on and go. It was all legal for the road. Don't know if this will work for you in Canada but it did for me in NJ.
First trailer purchase was from NY via e-Bay and the second was from a MA dealer. I takes some trust to do it this way since you have to totally purchase the trailer sight unseen.
Hope this helps and good luck.
Al
Our DMV (MTO) won't issue me anything before they see the customs import papers :(
I was checking NewYork states DMV site to obtain a temoprary tag and saw this :
Important information for Massachusetts residents: Massachusetts (MA) does not recognize the NYS in-transit permit. According to the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles, you can receive a ticket for no registration if you use an NYS in-transit permit in MA. This also makes the insurance on the vehicle not valid. MA authorities can impound the vehicle for no valid insurance. For more information, contact the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles.
Looks like this is what will happen if I attempt it ...... The NY DMV site says that any vehicle not being driven with no insurance will be impounded. The border to CT is only 16 miles from where the trailer is, but with my luck I would be stopped, I don't need the excitement or the trouble ...
And looks like even if someone buys it for me, that have to register it, and only the they can resell it .... They can't sell it with the temporary license plate as the title will have to be turned to their name first ...
Quote from: MommaMiaI hate to think of B getting stopped, halfway to Canada, and having his camper impounded. Not to mention the fines he would have to pay for misuse of marker plates.
All I have to say is they don't call Massachusetts TAX-achusetts for nothing! Their laws are SO prohibitive because they want to get EVERY penny they can out of anyone they can. How do I know this? I had a brother living in Massachusetts who CONSTANTLY complained about how expensive it is was living there.
As I tell my kids, all ACTIONS have consequences. YOUR actions as a wonderful person make people here want to help you. There are SO many people here pulling for you that this WILL happen. Plus, if this dealer should try to screw you over someohow, there is NO WAY this cyber-community would let him get away with it! :Z :eek:
B... it says in the listing "Ships Worldwide". You said that the dealer has sold to other Canadians. Did he ship them those cars? How much would it cost for him to ship it? Less than you renting a U-haul one way? Have you asked him about shipping it? Listen, if having the dealer ship it is at a reasonable cost, why not have him do that. Even if you have to pay a couple hundred $, it's still a bargain price for the camper. Especially if you are avoiding registering it in MA or CT. Then you save the registration fee and sales tax you'd have to pay when you registered it.
I would even be willing to put $50 towards the shipping cost. Someone else had done a good deed last year and paid for last years PUT membership for me. I see this as my chance to "pay it forward"... my chance to do the good deed.
I thought I had mentioned it, the cars he sold to Canadians were carried by flatbed trucks ..... I will call him and ask him how much that costs .....Sigh ...
Quote from: MommaMiaB... it says in the listing "Ships Worldwide". You said that the dealer has sold to other Canadians. Did he ship them those cars? How much would it cost for him to ship it? Less than you renting a U-haul one way? Have you asked him about shipping it? Listen, if having the dealer ship it is at a reasonable cost, why not have him do that. Even if you have to pay a couple hundred $, it's still a bargain price for the camper. Especially if you are avoiding registering it in MA or CT. Then you save the registration fee and sales tax you'd have to pay when you registered it.
I would even be willing to put $50 towards the shipping cost. Someone else had done a good deed last year and paid for last years PUT membership for me. I see this as my chance to "pay it forward"... my chance to do the good deed.
I wonder if a trucking company with flatbed trailers would be willing to drive it in if they go that way to empty a load then are coming back empty anyway? Maybe for $50 or so if it won't cost them much extra time or any extra gas since they'll be going that way anyway?
Or even a train that ships vehicles - I wonder what that would cost?
If you could get it all the way to you it might not be anymore than you'd have to pay going to get it yourself in food/gas/lodging.
Shipping it one way on a flatbed trailer is around 600 to 700 usd ...... Out of the question. I am trying to make the dealer to purchase it himself and sell it to me with the plates on it.
Quote from: Miss-TeriI wonder if a trucking company with flatbed trailers would be willing to drive it in if they go that way to empty a load then are coming back empty anyway? Maybe for $50 or so if it won't cost them much extra time or any extra gas since they'll be going that way anyway?
Or even a train that ships vehicles - I wonder what that would cost?
If you could get it all the way to you it might not be anymore than you'd have to pay going to get it yourself in food/gas/lodging.
OK, Birol - here's the info you need to register it here in CT."
http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&Q=245094&dmvPNavCtr=|27883|#27884 (//%22http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&Q=245094&dmvPNavCtr=%7C27883%7C#27884%22)
Look under the "Used manufactured trailer" part. It's pretty standard, and all it will take here is some time. Sounds like you'll get the title soon enough and we have a "Satellite" office here in Putnam open on Wednesday and Friday from 8am - 6pm. It's about 5 minutes down the road and the wait time is FAST! (under 15 minutes) This would be the perfect time, because Lee's work is slow, so if you want to - Lets do it!!
Quote from: birolI am trying to make the dealer to purchase it himself and sell it to me with the plates on it.
I don't understand this... He
Already owns it. You just want him to register it, then sign over the title and let you drive it home. I doubt he will let you take the plates.
Ok... so if it's too much $ to send it on a flat bed, you can still have someone form CT buy it, temp register and sign title over to you and you are on your way. All is not lost!
Quote from: MommaMiaI don't understand this... He Already owns it. You just want him to register it, then sign over the title and let you drive it home. I doubt he will let you take the plates.
Ok... so if it's too much $ to send it on a flat bed, you can still have someone form CT buy it, temp register and sign title over to you and you are on your way. All is not lost!
BTW... If he is a dealer he can put his dealer plates on it and be legal to take it on the road. That is IF he is willing to let you take the plates.
From MA RMV pamphlet....
The primary benefit of a General
Registration Plate is that it does not have to be attached to any
one specific vehicle. Instead, because of the special needs of
the qualifying registrant, the general registration plate may
be attached to any vehicle that the registrant owns (or in
some cases only controls). The types of businesses
authorized by law to register their vehicles in this manner
typically own (or control) more vehicles than are needed to be
registered for business use at any one time. The registrant is
issued a limited number of registration plates (each
containing the registrant
I don't know if I can drive it all the way to Ontario with dealer plates ...
The thing with dealerships is, it is not really owned by them, it is sort of like a non-owner situation with dealerships I believe, maybe I am wrong. He said he would give me a call back this afternoon. he didn't sound very optimistic anymore, yesterday he was saying we will get this sorted out. Today it was, doesn't look good.
I believe unless someone in CT or Rhode Island or New York purchases it, licenses it fully (they need to do that so that they can get a new title and sign it over to me), the deal is pretty much dead. I still have my fingers crossed, but, have lost hope .....
Quote from: MommaMiaBTW... If he is a dealer he can put his dealer plates on it and be legal to take it on the road. That is IF he is willing to let you take the plates.
Quote from: Acts 2:38 girlOK, Birol - here's the info you need to register it here in CT."
http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&Q=245094&dmvPNavCtr=|27883|#27884
Look under the "Used manufactured trailer" part. It's pretty standard, and all it will take here is some time. Sounds like you'll get the title soon enough and we have a "Satellite" office here in Putnam open on Wednesday and Friday from 8am - 6pm. It's about 5 minutes down the road and the wait time is FAST! (under 15 minutes) This would be the perfect time, because Lee's work is slow, so if you want to - Lets do it!!
YES!!! This is great! If the dealer will loan Birol the plates, it will save him $ but if not.... Lee will have to be on the title from the dealer and register it in his name. Then Lee will have to wait to get the title back from DMV and then sell it to Birol. Birol, you'd then have to borrow Lee's plates and send them back to him
I am running what you posted above by him Cindy ..... lets see what he will say. I am starting to get a feeling that he is not really truing to complete the sale anymore ...... It is always me calling him suggesting things .... we will see by the end of today. Tomorrow I have to tell him a go or no as he is going to get the title on Monday and that will cost me money. I don't want to spend 50 bucks for a title he will get if I can't get the trailer.
Quote from: birolI believe unless someone in CT or Rhode Island or New York purchases it, licenses it fully (they need to do that so that they can get a new title and sign it over to me), the deal is pretty much dead. I still have my fingers crossed, but, have lost hope .....
Looks like Lee and Andrea are coming through for you!!!
Don't lose hope. You don't need hope. It can be done. It just means you maybe can't go the simple way and use the dealers plates. Having Lee buy it, title it, register it, then sell it to you works. No doubt about it.
According to the RMV site,
It is legal for the Dealer to let you take his dealer plate, as long as the dealer plate is on a vehicle that he owns (the camper). The only restriction you have is that you are only allowed to use it for 5 days. There is no restriction about where you can and cannot tow it. So if you get to take the dealer plates, you can drive it all the way home. So you still have 2 options...
Dealer plate if he is willing
Lee to buy it and transfer to you. :D
So, is Lee and Andrea ok with this ? If they are lets do it :) I will just pay the guy and tell him to make it to Lee's (Or Andrea's) name.
First I will call him (did so he was out) and inquire about using his dealer plates ..... That is the quickest way out.
If he doesn't want to give his license plates, I will get to see Lee and Andrea and the boys and the Cutie Pie :)
Quote from: birolSo, is Lee and Andrea ok with this ? If they are lets do it :) I will just pay the guy and tell him to make it to Lee's (Or Andrea's) name.
First I will call him (did so he was out) and inquire about using his dealer plates ..... That is the quickest way out.
If he doesn't want to give his license plates, I will get to see Lee and Andrea and the boys and the Cutie Pie :)
Andrea's Post #60...
"so if you want to - Lets do it!!
Looks like you are in business. Just understand, that you'll have to wait for Lee/Andrea to get the title back from DMV... that may take a couple weeks.
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I sent her a PM already :) I think I can manage a few weeks of wait :) I believe by that time they will also have permanent plates on the PU :) My insurance company is giving me a quote on how much it will cost to have it insured this afternoon.
Quote from: MommaMiaAndrea's Post #60...
"so if you want to - Lets do it!!
Looks like you are in business. Just understand, that you'll have to wait for Lee/Andrea to get the title back from DMV... that may take a couple weeks.
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Quote from: birolI sent her a PM already :) I think I can manage a few weeks of wait :) I believe by that time they will also have permanent plates on the PU :) My insurance company is giving me a quote on how much it will cost to have it insured this afternoon.
Permanent plates.... sort of. They will have the official registration plates by then, but TECHNICALLY, once he signs the registration and title over to you and gives you the bill of sale, it's no longer really his to be registered. But Lee has to officially cancel the registration and turn the plates in. But don't worry about that. Once you have official CT camper license plates on it, you'll have no trouble getting it home. Just make sure Lee gets those plates back so he can officially cancel the registration or else he will end up getting billed for property taxes.
Once again, make sure the bill of sale has everything the Canadian import officials require on it. Don't just go with the standard CT DMV bill of sale you can get, unless it has all the info required. Have it NOTORIZED TOO!
As for insurance. Check to see if your regular auto policy covers a trailer when it's hooked to your van. That way you don't need a seperate policy. And I doubt you can add it to your policy until you have the title anyway. In CT you don't need seperate ins. policy. Keep in mind.... If you can just use your TV policy, once the camper is disconnected from the tv, it's no longer covered. So if you disconnect at home, it rolls down the drive and crashes, it's not covered.
Customs said they will accept a Bill of sale, we will just download it from CT DMV's site and sign it and get it notarized ! I am sure they will accept that with the official title ! I asked them ! So they had better !!!!!!
Quote from: birolCustoms said they will accept a Bill of sale, we will just download it from CT DMV's site and sign it and get it notarized ! I am sure they will accept that with the official title ! I asked them ! So they had better !!!!!!
LEE needs to get it and sign it, have it notarized.
So only the sellers signature needs to be notarized in USA ? In Turkey if you have a bill of sale, both parties have to sign in front of the person who notarizes it and state that they are doing it with no reservation etc ....
When I hear from Lee or Andrea that I can go ahead (And get their information, full name, addres etc), I will tell the dealer to make the sale to them :) No walking away with my PU now you two :):):) heheheheh Sorry I couldn't help it :)
Quote from: MommaMiaLEE needs to get it and sign it, have it notarized.
Quote from: birolSo only the sellers signature needs to be notarized in USA ? In Turkey if you have a bill of sale, both parties have to sign in front of the person who notarizes it and state that they are doing it with no reservation etc ....
When I hear from Lee or Andrea that I can go ahead (And get their information, full name, addres etc), I will tell the dealer to make the sale to them :) No walking away with my PU now you two :):):) heheheheh Sorry I couldn't help it :)
Yes, only sellers signature is usually notarized but it's best to have both done. From your post, it sounded like you were going to be the only one... made no sense.
btw... I like seeing all those smiles on your posts now. ;)
Hmmm. Just spoke to him and told him that he could loan his dealer plates to me for a period of 5 days ! I told him that I also e-mailed him the relevant piece of information. He asked me how long it would take me to go to Canada. And I told him 1.5 days with the trailer, and he said, ok, I will get the title then.
Looks like CINDY found a solution to the problem ! I offered to leave a deposit to him but he didn't say anything, just wondered if I could cross the border with dealer plates. I hope Canadian customs do not take his plates ! I will tell them not to :):):) beg them :) I don't think any state would mind me towing a trailer with proper dealer plates right ?
Once in Canada I will ship his plates back to him as fast as possible !!!
I am keeping my fingers crossed :)
Wonderful news! I did NOT want you to have to take that picture off your avatar!
Finally, a light at the end of this tunnel! One more time, I think you shound name your pop-up FINALLY! :#
It certainly sounds like this is going to happen for you!
:U + :canada: = :!
:-() :-()
I send the guy a final e-mail summarizing what we agreed on, asked him to confirm it so there are no surprises no finger pointing at the end. I don't want to drive 600 miles and find out that he won't loan his dealer plates !
I am going to take a deep breath when I have the PU in the garage :)
once again.... WAHOOOEEEE!!!!
I think once you get to border, they find that all paperwork is in order, you pay them the appropriate fees you'll be all set.
There shouldn't even be any fees ! I think maybe GST (8&)but even that has a cap of 15 years I guess :) YEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Quote from: MommaMiaonce again.... WAHOOOEEEE!!!!
I think once you get to border, they find that all paperwork is in order, you pay them the appropriate fees you'll be all set.
Wheeew.. That there was a lot of reading!! Briol, Yes... I would of done that for you.. But it looks like you have a better way to get it to you. My only wonder/thought was how hard it would be to get a CT title on a camper that does not require on in CT. ?? But, if the dealer will loan the plates to you and he had gotten the title back in hand when you pick it up.. I think you are golden. BUT!!! You are not getting out of stopping here first. Heck, you "could" set up the camper here and stay the night so that you are refreshed for the ride home. We only live 10 miles south of the Mass line off Rt-395 We may be very close to the way home for you anyway!
Let me know, we can give the camper a good once over before you head off.
Thanks Lee, I hope everything will work out and you will not have to worry about anything. If he throws me any curve, I might still have to call you, hopefully not though. By the way, he was going to provide the Title to you if you had to purchase it. I really appreciate your offer to help me with this.
I don't know the plans yet for picking up the PU yet, but I would definitely love the opportunity to see you folks and also go over it with you ! The dealer is only 40 miles away from you ! There is no chance I will not pass by your house having come all that distance !
Now I am just waiting for the confirmation e-mail from him, and all will be set. This was the longest day of my life I guess :)
Quote from: birolI am going to take a deep breath when I have the PU in the garage :)
I would suggest a group cyber-toast around the CRT campfire when that happens, Birol!
:C :! :U
I agree with Lee, that's a lot of reading there!
Ok, here's one more thing you need to work in. If the dealer does let you borrow the plates, make sure you get something in writing from him stating that you are allowed to use those plates for the purpose of transporting the trailer home to Canada. Make sure it is written very specific, and it would also be best if that too was notarized. This would make crossing the boarder with the trailer a whole lot easier on you, rather than trying to do a verbal Texas 2 step with the border officials over "where ya get them tags from fella???" type of thing.
Oh, I'd also keep a copy of those details on how the tags can be used with you while towing the trailer home. Those can be pretty obscure laws, and not every cop from NY is going to know what can or cannot be done with Mass dealer tags!
I was going to suggest you do this even if Lee bought the trailer and resold to you, so that you'd have some legal recourse for having possession of those tags.
Now that this all said and done, I'll tell you about my trip home from Columbus Oh with the new Trail Cruiser. At the dealer, he gave me the cardboard temp tags, which I placed on the trailer before heading out. I stopped the first night still inside Ohio, but close to the WV state line, tags still intact. Next day I got caught in several down pours while towing it through WV. At one point I stopped at a rest area and took a walk around the trailer, that cardboard tag melted in the rain and was gone! I couldn't do anything about it, so I just got back in the Jeep and kept on truckin, all the way back to Virgninia. Though these states do require tags, I never got stopped! If I had, I would simply have shown them the paper work and the little nubs of cardboard still stuck under the bolts to show him it had a paper tag!! :D
You mean getting into Canada ? I don't think they would be bothered with the USA dealer plates on our side once I explain that I just purchased it. Now the USA customs, there is usually no place to stop, but that doesn't mean they don't watch outgoing traffic ! Once exiting USA, we were stopped and talked to for 5 minutes just to exit the country. I would think that having just purchased the trailer I would be ok with the license plates, but I will call custom and ask them if they would require me anything anyways, better safe then sorry. Thanks for bringing it up Cliff.
Quote from: Gone-CampingI agree with Lee, that's a lot of reading there!
This would make crossing the boarder with the trailer a whole lot easier on you, rather than trying to do a verbal Texas 2 step with the border officials over where "ya get them tags from fella???" type of thing.
Well, even if you get pulled over for speeding on the Mass Pike or NY Thruway, the Third question the officer will ask you, is Where did ya get them plates from fella? and then you gotta do some explaining. Meanwhile, the cops will be holding you there while they run checks on the tags, on you, and everything else. All I'm saying is, keep your possible problems minimized by covering all the bases before you tow it an inch. I'm also thinking that US side of the border is going to question you about those tags too!
Post script... The first question is, Your license and registration please? and the second is Do you know why I stopped you?
So you think I will be stopped before exiting USA ? They would have to hand pick me I guess and that means they watch the traffic going into the border, it is sucha short distance from where you turn to the border and to be actually out of USA, but hey, they have a job to do and I am sure they do it well. I will ask for a letter from the dealer authorizing me to use the license plates for the purposes of importing it to Canada. Have it notarized if possible as well ! SInce we have to get the Bill of sale anyways, why not get that done at the same time. Good advice, thanks ....
Quote from: Gone-CampingWell, even if you get pulled over for speeding on the Mass Pike or NY Thruway, the Third question the officer will ask you, is Where did ya get them plates from fella? and then you gotta do some explaining. Meanwhile, the cops will be holding you there while they run checks on the tags, on you, and everything else. All I'm saying is, keep your possible problems minimized by covering all the bases before you tow it an inch. I'm also thinking that US side of the border is going to question you about those tags too!
If this ever goes through (and with this board I know we will figure a way to make it work) it needs to be used as a basis for a movie. Something heroic - like - like - Blues brothers.
Now for the casting. We need a dashing leading man, his lovely wife, a bad guy, and a number of character actors.
Whaddya say?
Birol.... here is the link for the info from MA RMV on use of dealer plates. This is the page you need to print out and keep with you.
http://www.mass.gov/rmv/forms/21330.pdf
YOU NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THESE TWO SPECIFIC AREAS AND BE PREPARED TO POINT THEM OUT IF YOU ARE PULLED OVER!!!
Question 2 "How does the business benefit from having one of these plates?"
Look for the answer on the right hand side of the page... Section 1.)... goes like this...
1) a motor vehicle dealer may attach the Dealer Plate to any
vehicle it owns and holds for sale in its inventory (an
inventory vehicle does not include a vehicle used in the
dealer
Yeah, I Just saved that document and will print it completely before I take off. Looks like this opens the way for me. Even with no letter from the dealer. Same document makes it mandatory that the dealeer gets enough insurance for all of their vehicles blah blah blah .... Still I agree, a document from the dealer will amke things easy if I ever get stopped.
By the way, I will escape to Rhode Island as soon as I get the trailer ! It is only 14 miles ! I don't think other states would bother too much with another states dealer license plates. from there it is CT, NY and North on I87 ... All at legal speed for vehicles with a trailer and all in one day hopefully ! The last thing I want to do is stay a night with the trailer ! Well, I guess I will have to do it for one night though before setiing off ......
As long as those dealer plates are legal, you won't have to concern yourself with a quick escape from Mass!!! You only needed to do that if the tags were of questionable legal use. With the dealer tag, the print-out, and a letter from the dealer (that would be dated to show it's been less than 5 days) then you'll be good to go, perfectly legal!!! :-():-():-():-()
Hey Birol! You know what's funny? Here we are with all this talk of what if you get pulled over. You'll proberly sail right through the US and Canada!! Isn't that how things always work? You get all nervous and scared and then nothing bad happens? It's when your cocky and a smart aleck about it that you get busted! I really hope you get the dealer plates - those are pretty much a sure bet. And even if we don't have to help you in any way, we'll have to get together for lunch! (it'll be like meeting someone famous, with all these posts of yours!);)
Ohhhh free lunch :):) Yummy :) Count me in :)
I will most probably leave before noon on next (Not this coming one, the next one) Sunday and sleep somewhere for a night, and make it to the dealership around 10 am or so MOnday. I am hoping the paperwork will go right through, after all, all we have to do is get the Bill of sale and the letter to be notarized (maybe even they can do it before I show up ?) and I will hook up and start driving ! I surely pass by you that day ! I am hoping I catch Lunch hehehe. I am hoping that we can go over the trailer with Lee and then I will take off. I don't think I will be able to make it to Canada that day, but I will be close to the border. If the PU is celan and stuff, I might even camp in it that night, depends.
I can hardly count the days now !
Quote from: Acts 2:38 girlHey Birol! You know what's funny? Here we are with all this talk of what if you get pulled over. You'll proberly sail right through the US and Canada!! Isn't that how things always work? You get all nervous and scared and then nothing bad happens? It's when your cocky and a smart aleck about it that you get busted! I really hope you get the dealer plates - those are pretty much a sure bet. And even if we don't have to help you in any way, we'll have to get together for lunch! (it'll be like meeting someone famous, with all these posts of yours!);)
If you think you may camp in it, take a sleeping bag and pillow. :)
I think I will ! Not a bad idea at all ! I don't want to pay a motel 50 bucks if I can sleep in it, hopefully it will be reasonably clean ! I hate the idea of spending another 50 bucks on a motel ..... 100 bucks for motels, 100 bucks for the gas, 50 for the title ..... it is costing me a minimum of 585 usd ..... Still a good deal I would think for a 10' PU with two dinettes !
Quote from: tlhdocIf you think you may camp in it, take a sleeping bag and pillow. :)
Quote from: birolit is costing me a minimum of 585 usd ..... Still a good deal I would think for a 10' PU with two dinettes !
It's gonna be worth it just for the smile on your and your kids faces!! :D
I should take a picture of my silly smiling face with the silly smile on it and post it :):):)
Quote from: vjm1639It's gonna be worth it just for the smile on your and your kids faces!! :D
Definitely! :>
Quote from: birolI should take a picture of my silly smiling face with the silly smile on it and post it :):):)
With all the documents and print-outs you are going to be carrying, that will add a substantial amount of weight. :p :yikes:
If someone does pull you over, when you pull out all these papers and start looking for what you need, they'll just give up and say... I believe you, no one would carry around that much documentation if things weren't on the up and up.
Next time anyone wants to transport a camper or wants anything to do with titles, we will call you! :eyecrazy:
Birol,
I would tell the dealer that once you get home to Canada, you'll post on this PUT board about the great experience you had with his dealership. Make sure to tell him you'll be happy to refer him to your many camping friends. I know if I was searching for a camper, I'd consider him for 1: selling you a solid unit 2: working with you to make the sale run smoothly.
Good luck. Yeah! Take photos. It's fun to look back and see how it was in the beginning before you make changes. Also, the smiles on your faces will be priceless.
We all look forward to seeing it in Gettysburg.
Diane