Paid $1.81/gallon for regular yesterday.
It sure would be nice if it stays like this through vacation season.
Austin
Quote from: AustinBostonPaid $1.81/gallon for regular yesterday.
It sure would be nice if it stays like this through vacation season.
Austin
I am happy to be paying 1.97 here for the same.
Quote from: AustinBostonPaid $1.81/gallon for regular yesterday.
It sure would be nice if it stays like this through vacation season.
It,s $2.08 here and dropping...We are close to the South Carolina border and gas is usually .20 cents cheaper down there because of NC's high gas tax. We always fill up when down there. ....In our travels lately I have seen a big difference in price of gas in just a mile or two. This tells me that some dealers are keeping the price up for their own good. So I guess we can't blame it all on the oil companys............
Holy cow! It is still 2.21 here!
Larry
I paid $2.51 here in Vegas, i wish ours would drop below $2.00.....
$2.53 in Cali
Read it and weep..... $ 1.79 for regular today , and I had less than a quarter tank left....a fill up for less than 50 buck!!!!!!! :D
Honestly never thought we'd see less than 2 bucks ever again.
I put $40 in my van today and it only gave me 3/4 tank. It was $2.24/gallon. It's not as bad as it was middle of last year.
$2.12 is the cheapest I've seen around here.
TN is still high.....Saw "brainpause" had $2.21 in Franklin, TN, but just a few miles away in Murfreesboro it is $1.99.....Cheapest it has been in a long time!
It dropped to $2.37 here today...
Paid $2.35 last night. NYS seems to be more expensive than almost anywhere else. Anyone wanna talk about taxes? :yikes:
Filled up last night in North Myrtle Beach at the "Wal-Mart" pumps, $1.969
Strange, how the price of crude can drop over $10.00 a barrel and the price at the pump only drops pennies. On the other hand, just a rumor that crude is rising and gas prices skyrocket!
Fly
Still $2.21 near my house (Nashville), but a couple miles up the road it's $2.12. Go figure :confused: . I honestly cannot figure out why people are still paying the higher price when they can drive that short a distance and save 10 cents/gallon.
I thought briefly (very briefly) about moving to where it's 1.81 or 1.79 -- then I remembered that it's also kinda cold up there. :D
$1.89 on my side of The Cities, AB ...
It isn't cold here, Jan ~ it's beautiful! About 26* and sunny :S ... I didn't even have to get my winter jacket out today. :D
Wow, Kelly - that's positively balmy weather compared to -2. But here in the south we think it's cold when the temps are on that side of 32.
$1.83 today
don't know how long its going to stay that low but it sure is nice for now.
Quote from: campingcop$1.83 today
don't know how long its going to stay that low but it sure is nice for now.
Harvey, it's as low as 1.77 on this side of town at some stations as of yesterday.
I saw it today on the way home from work @ $1.79 a gallon. Wal-Mart gas station. Of course I had just filled up 2 days ago at $1.92
As of 1/20/07 1030hrs, gas in NW Indiana is at $1.89 a gallon. And thats right outside of Chicago!!! E85 is selling for $1.69... I know it wont last long...
Quote from: flyfishermanFilled up last night in North Myrtle Beach at the "Wal-Mart" pumps, $1.969
Strange, how the price of crude can drop over $10.00 a barrel and the price at the pump only drops pennies. On the other hand, just a rumor that crude is rising and gas prices skyrocket!
Fly
How true, how true, Gas prices are not dropping around here as fast as they are in other areas. Local distributers and dealers must be making big bucks by keeping the price up...Outright thievery?? You Betcha!!......
Quote from: Old GoatHow true, how true, Gas prices are not dropping around here as fast as they are in other areas. Local distributers and dealers must be making big bucks by keeping the price up...Outright thievery?? You Betcha!!......
We here in MI have a gouging law, it went into place after that big east coast blaclout when the few gas station that could pump in this area raped their customers to the tune of up to $5 per gallon.
It's even an enforced law (yep, a bit unusual). I think that is what has helped keep the prices decent around here.
"We here in MI have a gouging law, it went into place after that big east coast blaclout when the few gas station that could pump in this area raped their customers to the tune of up to $5 per gallon.
It's even an enforced law (yep, a bit unusual). I think that is what has helped keep the prices decent around here."
Marcy
Just read an article that Michigan and two other states have the lowest gas prices. One of the main reasons is lower taxes on gasoline.
Local station here is $2.21 but paid $1.99 at a Sam's today. Next town over is about $2.11.
Just got back from filling up our truck here in Apple Valley, Ca. High Desert area for $2.43 gal best price in the whole high desert......Yuck......I can remember getting gas for .17 cents a gallon..........The Good Old Days........Please come back..........
Quote from: cjpoppin...I can remember getting gas for .17 cents a gallon..........The Good Old Days........Please come back..........
Do you really want them? That was before The Arvee club, before the internet (OK, before the public had ever heard of the internet), before DVDs (or even VCRs), before microwave ovens, or pop-up furnaces, or pop-up water tanks, or pop-up power converters, when TV's produced X-Rays, all gasoline contained lead, and dumping toxic chemicals in your water supply was not illegal. Oh, and minimum wage was somewhere areound $0.46/hr.
Nope, you can have "the good old days".
Austin
It's dropped a whopping 8 cents -- now $2.13/gal. I was off on Friday and running errands and wound up about 30 min. from home. Gas there was 1.98. In another area of the state (175 miles from here, maybe?) gas is 1.91. Given that taxes should not be much different within the state, I'm assuming that in the Nashville area they are simply gouging us.
(psssssst - hey, Brainpause - go fill up in Triune.)
Quote from: GeneFJust read an article that Michigan and two other states have the lowest gas prices. One of the main reasons is lower taxes on gasoline.
Local station here is $2.21 but paid $1.99 at a Sam's today. Next town over is about $2.11.
SHHHHH....don't say that to loud , they might hear hear you and raise it...We don't need any more stinkin taxes!
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Do you really want them? That was before The Arvee club, before the internet (OK, before the public had ever heard of the internet), before DVDs (or even VCRs), before microwave ovens, or pop-up furnaces, or pop-up water tanks, or pop-up power converters, when TV's produced X-Rays, all gasoline contained lead, and dumping toxic chemicals in your water supply was not illegal. Oh, and minimum wage was somewhere areound $0.46/hr.
Nope, you can have "the good old days".
`Yes Dad, without a high school education, could work 40 hrs a week, 49 weeks a year, have health ins, pay for house, send kids to school, go camping most weekends in the summer and on vacation. then he could retire, and RV full time. Mom could stay home with the kids, didn't need the microwave, she had time to cook health food. X-rays from a TV that was only on 10-15 hrs a week, NBD. The kids were outside playing, not setting in front of the game boy getting fat. The lead in gas was bad, but the 6cyl. Ford didn't burn as much as the 2 cars every family needs to get to work.
Change can be good but is not always.
a loaf of bread was 14 cents, a quart of milk with the cream on top was 19 cents and it was delivered in a bottle, cost 50 cents to see a double feature at the drive in, kids played sandlot baseball and football, hide and seek was a great game, families did things together because many couldn't afford tv, if you had a tv, you may have had to take turns holding the rabbit ears for the best reception, fewer houses made for more beaches and skinny dipping, beer was about the main drug of the time, had to wait for the other person to get off of the three party phone line, bicycles only had three speeds, ice skating and sleding were your weekend activities done in a group, school dances were called sock hops without grinding.
Oh yeah, those were some fun times. May not want all of them back but some of them would be nice.
Oh yeah, you could get a house for less than 10,000.
Just a few factoids...
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/quickfacts/quickoil.html
A barrel of oil produces 42 gallons of gas.
Oil dropped below $50/barrel a few days ago. Back "up" to $51. That means that raw crude is $1.24/gallon of gas. Today (1/22/07), gasoline futures were $1.37/gallon. Anything above that is transportation/profit.
Leading up to the elections, gas here in Sacramento had dipped to $2.10/gallon. Crude was about $61/barrel.
Today, crude is $50-51, yet gas is still $2.50/gallon.
If one considers the conspiracy theory, the oil companies "lowered" the price of gas leading up to the elections in order to keep it "off the table" in terms of people's votes.
America uses 20 millions barrels/day of gasoline. Comparing today to Election Day (now is $10/barrel cheaper than Nov 7th... and $.40/gallon ($16.8/barrel) higher gas prices)... oil companies are pulling in 20M * $26.8 = $536 MILLION more per day in profit than they were on Nov 7th - at least in CA prices.
Don't forget, today's gasoline futures prices were only $1.37/gallon - for Feb delivery. That is what the oil companies paid for the refined gas they're selling to you.
I can remember my cousin and I taking turns driving my uncle's 1925 model T Ford on country roads when I was 12-13 years old. It was during WW 11 and "Unc" was in the navy and busy in the Pacific. Gas was rationed and cost .24 cents a gal. The old Ford had a gravity feed fuel system and an up draft carburetor. It's four banger engine had cast iron pistons and gave an honest 25 miles per gal. That's better than alot of vehicles do today.....What fun it was......
Quote from: Old Goatgave an honest 25 miles per gal.
Sadly, the "good" gas mileage vehicles of yesteryear have given way to "regular" vehicles of today. In 1997, my 1996 VW Golf did over 33 MPG on the highway. Now-a-days, an "impressive" vehicle like my coworker's a 2007 Honda Civic gets all of 30 MPG.
Whoa. PATHETIC.
The sad part is, the major US vehicle companies today whine that they need a lower fleet MPG in order to compete.
Why is that???
In 2001, VW introduced their "1-liter-car". It was a 2-seater vehicle that got "over 100 kilometers per liter". That translates to...
218 miles per gallon. Why can't they take 4 of those engines, plug them into an SUV, and get a truck that can do 54 MPG???
Sadly, they had to abandon the vehicle, due to economics:
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/vw_abandons_its.htmlOh wait - I forgot, the world doesn't yet support good fuel economy vehicles...
It"s down to $2.02 here. The price is still not dropping as fast as in other areas close by......
Quote from: zamboniSadly, the "good" gas mileage vehicles of yesteryear have given way to "regular" vehicles of today. In 1997, my 1996 VW Golf did over 33 MPG on the highway. Now-a-days, an "impressive" vehicle like my coworker's a 2007 Honda Civic gets all of 30 MPG.
Whoa. PATHETIC.
The sad part is, the major US vehicle companies today whine that they need a lower fleet MPG in order to compete.
Why is that???
In 2001, VW introduced their "1-liter-car". It was a 2-seater vehicle that got "over 100 kilometers per liter". That translates to...
218 miles per gallon. Why can't they take 4 of those engines, plug them into an SUV, and get a truck that can do 54 MPG???
Sadly, they had to abandon the vehicle, due to economics: http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04/vw_abandons_its.html
Oh wait - I forgot, the world doesn't yet support good fuel economy vehicles...
It's all about "Power to weight" ratio, plus a few other things added in like wind resistance and added accessories that make the alternator and AC draw more power.
Your '96 Golf probably didn't have the gadgets that the 2007 Civic has and certainly wasn't as heavy (all the added safety stuff).
My 2001 Chrysler Concorde gets 30MPG. I think that's pretty impressive. I similar car of yester-year would be lucky to get 20MPG.
The real answer is switching to ALL electric cars. I don't mean those cop-out hybrids either, they're a joke. Until we go all electric, we are at the mercy of oil rich countries.
My 02 truck gets 14 to 17 not towing. 10 towing
My 05 Scion gets 35
My 1964 Pontiac Tempest got 13 if I was lucky. During the 60's no one was concerned about gas mileage, everone wanted the muscle cars. Guess this one was the SUV of the times. 326 engine, stick shift, positraction and I could sit 6 people in it comfortable and this was an intermediate size car in its day. Still a memory, it was my first new car.
By the way, I paid extra for the padded dash.
Quote from: waveryThe real answer is switching to ALL electric cars. I don't mean those cop-out hybrids either, they're a joke. Until we go all electric, we are at the mercy of oil rich countries.
Actually, it's about a non-oil energy source. For the most part, an electric car would use more oil, not less, because of inefficiencies in generating and transporting electricity. Since the biggest chunk of the electricity we use is generated by burning oil, more money, not less, goes to the Middle East.
If we had a reasonable non-oil electric source, it could be used to make a fuel for internal combustion engines. Until then, any transportation technology will use oil.
Austin
Quote from: AustinBostonActually, it's about a non-oil energy source. For the most part, an electric car would use more oil, not less, because of inefficiencies in generating and transporting electricity. Since the biggest chunk of the electricity we use is generated by burning oil, more money, not less, goes to the Middle East.
If we had a reasonable non-oil electric source, it could be used to make a fuel for internal combustion engines. Until then, any transportation technology will use oil.
Austin
You're correct, if we recharge the "Batteries" from an oil fuel burning source.
There are more effective sources for generating electricity. Nuclear is one but that has it's problems too (obviously).
I think that fuel cell technology (or a derivative thereof) may be the wave of the future. The biggest obstacle is the "Batteries" or electrical storage devices. That is why President Bush continually pushes new battery technology (probably the only thing that I agree with him about :p ). The bottom line is still powering from electric motors. Internal combustion engines are terribly inefficient (on several levels).
Quote from: AustinBostonActually, it's about a non-oil energy source. For the most part, an electric car would use more oil, not less, because of inefficiencies in generating and transporting electricity. Since the biggest chunk of the electricity we use is generated by burning oil, more money, not less, goes to the Middle East.
If we had a reasonable non-oil electric source, it could be used to make a fuel for internal combustion engines. Until then, any transportation technology will use oil.
Actually, there is an up-and-coming alternative. I forgot what state it is in, but I read last week about a man who moved into a new, experimental "zero-energy" house. It cost about $400,000 (grants, etc), but was designed to have its technology mass-produced for about $100,000.
In short: Massive solar arrays. Batteries are inefficient and expensive to upkeep (for large amounts)... so, extra energy is sent to an
Electrolytic Converter - which uses the electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen.
The hydrogen is stored in tanks, and when more power is needed (nights, parties, etc), a fuel-cell converts the hydrogen back to electricity.
The house is super-insulated, and the man charged his electric car from his home system.
My first brand new car was a 4 door Mitsubishi Mirage rebadged as a Chrysler Eagle Summit in 1987. I got 40+ on the open road and low 30's in town.
It had a 1.5 liter engine & 81 horsepower. It kept up fine on the freeway but didn't have the sort of acceleration we expect now. Sizewise it was comparable to the Toyota Corolla of the day, but modern Corollas are much bigger.
I think we have to face the fact that a 250 HP, 4000+ pound minivan or midsized SUV is never going to get better than 25 mpg on the highway and 20 mpg around town.
Basic physics tells me that less weight, less wind resistance, and less power will get better mileage. Of course driving style plays a major part too.
PS-
Fuel here is somewhere around $2.50/gallon. I've been riding the train to work 90% of the time.
:p Ours is at 1.81 in Loganville (Atlanta). Wish it would hold through vacation (yeah right)
Quote from: zamboniActually, there is an up-and-coming alternative. I forgot what state it is in, but I read last week about a man who moved into a new, experimental "zero-energy" house. It cost about $400,000 (grants, etc), but was designed to have its technology mass-produced for about $100,000.
In short: Massive solar arrays. Batteries are inefficient and expensive to upkeep (for large amounts)... so, extra energy is sent to an Electrolytic Converter - which uses the electricity to split water into oxygen and hydrogen.
The hydrogen is stored in tanks, and when more power is needed (nights, parties, etc), a fuel-cell converts the hydrogen back to electricity.
The house is super-insulated, and the man charged his electric car from his home system.
It seems to me that a fuel cell car would fit right into this program. The hydrogen collected could be used to fill the fuel cell car. When the car is not in use, it could be used to power the house (and most of the neighbors houses).
A fuel cell is supposedly capable of lasting a lifetime. The concept is to keep the fuel cell and running gear for a lifetime. When you buy a "new car", it would be, literally, the body and interior only. Unsnap the old body, snap on the new one. A person could even have a number of "bodies" for different applications. You could have an SUV body, sport car body and PU truck body that all snap onto the same fuel cell.
Quote from: waveryA fuel cell is supposedly capable of lasting a lifetime. The concept is to keep the fuel cell and running gear for a lifetime. When you buy a "new car", it would be, literally, the body and interior only. Unsnap the old body, snap on the new one. A person could even have a number of "bodies" for different applications. You could have an SUV body, sport car body and PU truck body that all snap onto the same fuel cell.
I could imagine the market for stolen fuel cells.
I can imagine people thinking they can avoid auto theft by taking the fuel cell with them when they park.
I can imagine thieves always carrying a fuel cell with them in case the owner took theirs.
I can imagine the thieves getting wise and just stealing a fuel cell from another vehicle in order to steal one where the owner took the fuel cell.
I can imagine it becoming a felony to be in posession of a fuel cell (a burglary tool) while trying to steal a car.
It's fun to predict the future when old posts are purged from time to time.
Austin
Quote from: AustinBostonI could imagine the market for stolen fuel cells.
I can imagine people thinking they can avoid auto theft by taking the fuel cell with them when they park.
I can imagine thieves always carrying a fuel cell with them in case the owner took theirs.
I can imagine the thieves getting wise and just stealing a fuel cell from another vehicle in order to steal one where the owner took the fuel cell.
I can imagine it becoming a felony to be in posession of a fuel cell (a burglary tool) while trying to steal a car.
It's fun to predict the future when old posts are purged from time to time.
Austin
Now there's some "Creative thinking". :eyecrazy:
:J
I got gas this morning and I paid $2.35 a gallon, its down 18 cents from the last time i got gas....Its a start
whats with these @#$$#@% gas prices. Last time I filled up it was $1.75 today it is $2.07 thats a big jump in a week and a half :yikes:
It's $ 1.99 here in our neck of the woods..It's about .20 cents cheaper in South Carolina which is not very far from here.....