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Title: Water or Wine
Post by: campingcop on May 03, 2007, 01:55 PM
Water or Wine
It has been scientifically proven that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria found in feces. Body waste.
In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine (or rum, whiskey, beer or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling or filtering and/or fermenting.

WATER = poop
WINE = HEALTH

Ergo: It's better to drink wine and talk stupid than to drink water and be full of shit.

There is no need to thank me for this valuable information.
I am doing it as a public service!
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Post by: wavery on May 03, 2007, 03:42 PM
Quote from: campingcopWater or Wine
It has been scientifically proven that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria found in feces. Body waste.
In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine (or rum, whiskey, beer or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling or filtering and/or fermenting.

WATER = poop
WINE = HEALTH

Ergo: It's better to drink wine and talk stupid than to drink water and be full of shit.

There is no need to thank me for this valuable information.
I am doing it as a public service!
The French have known this for hundreds of years. You'll never see people drinking water in France. It just isn't done. :D
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Post by: mmeier71 on May 03, 2007, 04:20 PM
What about bottled water?? Isn't that filtered and purified??
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Post by: wavery on May 03, 2007, 04:25 PM
Quote from: mmeier71What about bottled water?? Isn't that filtered and purified??
You're not French....are you :J

Germans are the same way. They have a saying in Germany...."Water makes for rusty ribs and grows frogs in your tummy"
 :!
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Post by: flyfisherman on May 03, 2007, 05:54 PM
Quote from: campingcopWater or Wine
It has been scientifically proven that if we drink 1 liter of water each day, at the end of the year we would have absorbed more than 1 kilo of Escherichia coli (E. coli) bacteria found in feces. Body waste.
In other words, we are consuming 1 kilo of poop. However, we do not run that risk when drinking wine (or rum, whiskey, beer or other liquor) because alcohol has to go through a purification process of boiling or filtering and/or fermenting.

WATER = poop
WINE = HEALTH

Ergo: It's better to drink wine and talk stupid than to drink water and be full of shit.

There is no need to thank me for this valuable information.
I am doing it as a public service!


I just know there are many potential new members of Alcoholics Anonymous that will be so glad to hear this bit of breaking news!
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 04, 2007, 08:49 AM
Even Stewball the racehorse only drank wine...

Austin (drinks a half a gallon of diet Coke a day...)
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Post by: campingcop on May 04, 2007, 11:19 AM
Quote from: mmeier71What about bottled water?? Isn't that filtered and purified??


Why does bottled water have an expiration date????
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Post by: wavery on May 04, 2007, 11:37 AM
Quote from: campingcopWhy does bottled water have an expiration date????
So the French know that it isn't wine. :U
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 04, 2007, 11:38 AM
Quote from: waverySo the French know that it isn't wine. :U

Know why rednecks won't drink wine?

Because it's always past it's expiration!

Austin (running from room)
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 04, 2007, 11:43 AM
Quote from: campingcopWhy does bottled water have an expiration date????

In case this is a serious question -

The reason is that even the most carefully filtered water will support life.  Even distilled water can support certain microbes if it is stored in plastic containers.  Bottled water always has a preservative (even those that claim they don't really do) that breaks down with time, and therefore can eventually support living stuff that nobody wants.

Besides, have you ever tasted bottled water that has sat at room teperature for a few weeks?  Ewww...At some point, I'd take the chlorine over the plastic.

Austin
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Post by: wavery on May 04, 2007, 12:53 PM
Quote from: AustinBostonIn case this is a serious question -

The reason is that even the most carefully filtered water will support life.  Even distilled water can support certain microbes if it is stored in plastic containers.  Bottled water always has a preservative (even those that claim they don't really do) that breaks down with time, and therefore can eventually support living stuff that nobody wants.

Besides, have you ever tasted bottled water that has sat at room teperature for a few weeks?  Ewww...At some point, I'd take the chlorine over the plastic.

Austin
If they'd just add a little Vodka to each bottle, they wouldn't have to worry about those little buggers. :-()
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 04, 2007, 01:34 PM
Quote from: waveryIf they'd just add a little Vodka to each bottle, they wouldn't have to worry about those little buggers. :-()

That would be a waste of vodka.

Austin
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Post by: aw738 on May 06, 2007, 06:55 AM
This is another way that Dihydrogen Monoxide can kill you.
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Post by: wavery on May 06, 2007, 02:23 PM
HMMMMMMMMMM!! and I thought sure this was going to turn into a religious thread. :p
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Post by: Old Goat on May 06, 2007, 05:41 PM
I have heard that wine is the fecal matter of germs that is produced during the fermentation process........
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Post by: ptbrauch on May 10, 2007, 09:52 AM
Quote from: AustinBostonIn case this is a serious question -

The reason is that even the most carefully filtered water will support life.  Even distilled water can support certain microbes if it is stored in plastic containers.  Bottled water always has a preservative (even those that claim they don't really do) that breaks down with time, and therefore can eventually support living stuff that nobody wants.

Besides, have you ever tasted bottled water that has sat at room teperature for a few weeks?  Ewww...At some point, I'd take the chlorine over the plastic.

Austin

Actually, that's not true.  If  bottled water contained a preservative, it would have to be stated on the bottle.  The do list the purification method used--either reverse osmosis or ozonation, but neither of those is a preservative.  

You are correct that even distilled water can support certain microbes, but they have to be present first.  The purification (distillation) process removes the microbes, thus none are present to be supported.  

Also, preservatives are to prevent oxidation and/or microbe growth.  In bottled water, there is nothing present to oxidize, nor is there any nutrients present to feed any microbes.  Thus there is no need for preservatives.  

You can read up on the bottled water regulations in the Code of Federal Regulations at 21CFR129

Oh, I forgot to add that the reason it has an expiration date is because the government requires it.  Though it will last much longer, its typically given at 2 years because thats as far as most companies will go to test it.
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Post by: wavery on May 10, 2007, 10:14 AM
Quote from: ptbrauchActually, that's not true.  If  bottled water contained a preservative, it would have to be stated on the bottle.  The do list the purification method used--either reverse osmosis or ozonation, but neither of those is a preservative.  

You are correct that even distilled water can support certain microbes, but they have to be present first.  The purification (distillation) process removes the microbes, thus none are present to be supported.  

Also, preservatives are to prevent oxidation and/or microbe growth.  In bottled water, there is nothing present to oxidize, nor is there any nutrients present to feed any microbes.  Thus there is no need for preservatives.  

You can read up on the bottled water regulations in the Code of Federal Regulations at 21CFR129

Oh, I forgot to add that the reason it has an expiration date is because the government requires it.  Though it will last much longer, its typically given at 2 years because thats as far as most companies will go to test it.

Tell it to the French :J
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 10, 2007, 10:41 AM
Quote from: ptbrauchActually, that's not true.  If  bottled water contained a preservative, it would have to be stated on the bottle.  The do list the purification method used--either reverse osmosis or ozonation, but neither of those is a preservative.  

You are correct that even distilled water can support certain microbes, but they have to be present first.  The purification (distillation) process removes the microbes, thus none are present to be supported.  

Also, preservatives are to prevent oxidation and/or microbe growth.  In bottled water, there is nothing present to oxidize, nor is there any nutrients present to feed any microbes.  Thus there is no need for preservatives.  

You can read up on the bottled water regulations in the Code of Federal Regulations at 21CFR129

Oh, I forgot to add that the reason it has an expiration date is because the government requires it.  Though it will last much longer, its typically given at 2 years because thats as far as most companies will go to test it.

129.80 (f): "No more than one of the four samples may exceed more than one bacteria per milliliter of capacity or one colony per square centimeter of surface area."

In other words, a 1/2-liter bottle is allowed to have up to 500 bacteria in it; one in four bottles can have more than 500 bacteria in it (with no upper limit).

Austin
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Post by: wavery on May 10, 2007, 03:15 PM
Quote from: AustinBoston129.80 (f): "No more than one of the four samples may exceed more than one bacteria per milliliter of capacity or one colony per square centimeter of surface area."

In other words, a 1/2-liter bottle is allowed to have up to 500 bacteria in it; one in four bottles can have more than 500 bacteria in it (with no upper limit).

Austin
Sounds like a bunch of doo-doo to me. :J
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Post by: ptbrauch on May 11, 2007, 08:21 AM
Quote from: AustinBoston129.80 (f): "No more than one of the four samples may exceed more than one bacteria per milliliter of capacity or one colony per square centimeter of surface area."

In other words, a 1/2-liter bottle is allowed to have up to 500 bacteria in it; one in four bottles can have more than 500 bacteria in it (with no upper limit).

Austin

And?

Just because its bacteria doesn't mean its bad.  There are millions of bacteria in your mouth right now.  Not to mention that you couldn't digest your food without bacteria.  

Do you know what general bacterial limits are on pasteurized milk are?  100 per gram.  Pizza sauce?  1000 per gram!!  That means that a gallon of milk can contain 390,000 bacteria and a pizza may contain 170,000 just in the sauce alone.

Now, call your local water company and ask them what their limits are.  And then tell me you're really worried about bottled water.
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Post by: AustinBoston on May 11, 2007, 09:05 PM
Quote from: ptbrauchAnd?

Just because its bacteria doesn't mean its bad.

Yes, but your claim was that they were not present to begin with.

Austin
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Post by: ptbrauch on May 14, 2007, 03:02 PM
Quote from: AustinBostonYes, but your claim was that they were not present to begin with.

Austin

And I still maintain that.  Just because they're permitted to be present, doesn't mean that they are.  I'd be willing to bet you that if you take a randomly selected, unopened bottle of water of a brand of your choosing to a lab for a micro analysis, it'll come back negative (actually, it will be reported as <1 cfu/ml, as they won't plate out the entire 500 ml bottle).  

Now, let me ask you on what information do you base your claim?

Quote from: AustinBostonBottled water always has a preservative (even those that claim they don't really do) that breaks down with time, and therefore can eventually support living stuff that nobody wants.