Thinking about getting a new 07 starcraft 11 rt and hauling my 700 lbs quad on the front. Dealer says it will be OK but i am a little suspicious as there was a recall on 70 units in the 07s http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/NHTSA_07V337000_2007_STARCRAFT_11RT_recall_67648.html with frame problems. The 08S have beefed up frames. The particular unit I am looking at is not affected buy the recall. The fleetwoods look a little tougher but I can get this cheaper. I will be taking it off road into the bush. Do you think these are tough enough. Any input is appreciated.
I imagine the unit you are looking at is the style with a front platform for carrying toys.
I would see what the mnfgr says the payload is for the unit, NOT what the salesman says it will carry so he can make the sale.
Darrell
Quote from: Darrell TI imagine the unit you are looking at is the style with a front platform for carrying toys.
I would see what the mnfgr says the payload is for the unit, NOT what the salesman says it will carry so he can make the sale.
Darrell
Thanks Darrell, I'm going to contact the manufacure in the morning. Any other opinions
Don't know where your located, but here is one heck or a buy on a new 2006 leftover at a dealer near Pittsburgh.
http://www.clearshade.com/11RT.html
Quote from: dulloneDon't know where your located, but here is one heck or a buy on a new 2006 leftover at a dealer near Pittsburgh.
http://www.clearshade.com/11RT.html
WOW thats a deal. My quote is $11,350.
The only other suggestion I might have is that 700 lbs that far forward is gonna be a lot of tongue weight. Is you tow rig set up for it?
Darrell
Quote from: Darrell TThe only other suggestion I might have is that 700 lbs that far forward is gonna be a lot of tongue weight. Is you tow rig set up for it?
Darrell
I just sent a e-mail to the dealer to that regard. I don't know allot about receivers. Mine says Weight distributing 1000 lbs, weight carring 500 lbs, trailer weight 10,000, trailer caring 5000 lbs. TV is Dodge diesel truck
That rating on the receiver is just that. A rating for the receiver not the tow rig. your TR should have ratings in the owners manual or call the dealer.
IE a Ford explorer might have a receiver that has the same rating as yours, then a F350 might have the same receiver but obviously the F350 will handle the tongue weight much better without he addition of a load distribution hitch.
Trailer brakes might be nice to have also.
Darrell
Not a lot of cargo capacity on the 11RT as shown below. Remember all the weights for the pu are dry weights.
Just a full load of water (35 gal) and your atv would about put you over. Not counting batteries, propane, atv fuel and your "stuff".
WEIGHTS, MEASUREMENTS & CAPACITIES 11RT
GVWR (gross vehicle weight rating - lbs.) 4000
UVW (unloaded vehicle weight - approx. lbs.) 2651
HW (hitch weight - approx. lbs.) 291
CCC (cargo carrying capacity - approx. lbs.) 967
To me it looks like the 11rt has about 1341 lbs of payload. I wonder if the CCC is the weight that the cargo deck can carry and the rest needs to be distributed within the pop up?
Some quick math...
ATV 700
35 Gal H2O 280
20lb of propane 40lbs w/ tank
5 gal ATV fuel 35
battery...60ish each
Just some rough weights.
We are at 1115 lbs so far that leaves 226 lbs for everything else. Looks doable but right at the limit.
Might be a good idea to clarify the CCC capacity.
Looking at the design of the 11rt if you add the ATV to the deck I would guess 400 lbs of the ATV weight would be on the tongue added to the 291 already there and you are at 691...give or take. Either way your receiver would require a weight distributing hitch....
Take it all for what it is worth.
DT
He replied to my concerns via e-mail and says they have the strongest trailers in the industry ( of course). He said it is a 07 but has an 08 frame which is stronger and heavier. In the 08 specs they list the ccc at about 1000. 08 spec http://www.starcraftrv.com/starcraft_folding_campers/starcraft_rt_series_specifications.html
Below are Starcraft's definitions for loadings. CCC accounts for weight of water, propane and batteries. So your atv plus 267# of other stuff will put you at axle limit. If your off roading or rough roading with it, I would be wary of exceeding axle capacity.
GVWR - Gross Vehicle Weight Rating
The maximum permissible weight of the trailer when fully loaded with all systems filled. It includes all weight at the trailer axle(s) plus hitch.
UVW - Unloaded Vehicle Weight
Sometimes referred to as the Gross Vehicle Weight or Curb Weight, the UVW is the dry weight of the trailer as manufactured at the factory. It includes all weight at the trailer axle(s) plus hitch.
HW - Hitch Weight
Hitch Weight represents the portion of the trailer weight that is carried by the tongue to the hitch ball on the tow vehicle.
CCC - Cargo Carrying Capacity
Sometimes referred to as Rated Cargo Load, the CCC is equal to the GVWR minus each of the following: UVW, full fresh water weight (including water heater) plus filled propane tank(s) and battery weight.
Quote from: kampingHe replied to my concerns via e-mail and says they have the strongest trailers in the industry ( of course). He said it is a 07 but has an 08 frame which is stronger and heavier. In the 08 specs they list the ccc at about 1000. 08 spec http://www.starcraftrv.com/starcraft_folding_campers/starcraft_rt_series_specifications.html
My Starcraft dealer said the only changes for '08 were canvas colors. Me thinks I smell the faint odor of cattle droppings ;)
Quote from: dulloneMy Starcraft dealer said the only changes for '08 were canvas colors. Me thinks I smell the faint odor of cattle droppings ;)
If you compare the 07 and 08 trailer weight (GVW) the 08 is about 160lbs heavier. That new canvas is pretty heavy. LOL I would guess an extra frame gusset or two. Who knows, something is different (heavier)
Why not cut to the chase and just call StarcraftRV directly. They've got a tech assist dept. and everybody in parts and in tech assist are fantastic to deal with.
StarcraftRV: (260)593-2550
Quote from: austinado16Why not cut to the chase and just call StarcraftRV directly. They've got a tech assist dept. and everybody in parts and in tech assist are fantastic to deal with.
StarcraftRV: (260)593-2550
I will thanks
Quote from: kampingI will thanks
Be sure and keep us posted on your findings.
Quote from: kampingDealer says it will be OK but i am a little suspicious as there was a recall on 70 units in the 07s http://www.allworldauto.com/recalls/NHTSA_07V337000_2007_STARCRAFT_11RT_recall_67648.html with frame problems. The 08S have beefed up frames. .
The recall was about the hitch and where it attached to the frame. The frame was notched out on some units to make fitting the hitch easier. The notch weaken the frame where the hitch was and it would bend. Mine had the recall work done and all it was was reinforcing the hitch attachment to the frame and welding plates over the notches. Some idiot at the Dexter factory decided one day to take a shortcut in mounting the hitch. Not all '07 units were affected. No problem with the rest of the frame.
Quote from: JimSThe recall was about the hitch and where it attached to the frame. The frame was notched out on some units to make fitting the hitch easier. The notch weaken the frame where the hitch was and it would bend. Mine had the recall work done and all it was was reinforcing the hitch attachment to the frame and welding plates over the notches. Some idiot at the Dexter factory decided one day to take a shortcut in mounting the hitch. Not all '07 units were affected. No problem with the rest of the frame.
Just wondering do you or anyone else here carry a utility quad on the deck
Quote from: kampingJust wondering do you or anyone else here carry a utility quad on the deck
I have carried bikes and kid stuff on the deck but nothing that weighs anywhere close to 700 lb. I believe that the capacity of the deck is around 450 lb.
Quote from: JimSI have carried bikes and kid stuff on the deck but nothing that weighs anywhere close to 700 lb. I believe that the capacity of the deck is around 450 lb.
Just as a comparison...
I have the Fleetwood E3. I think it has a larger deck and it is rated for 800 lbs. The frame is also fully boxed.
JimS's estimate of 450 lbs sounds reasonable. As Austinado said, I'm sure a quick call to the factory will settle the whole thing.
BTW...that's a Monster Quad you have :eyecrazy:
Quote from: waygard33Just as a comparison...
I have the Fleetwood E3. I think it has a larger deck and it is rated for 800 lbs. The frame is also fully boxed.
JimS's estimate of 450 lbs sounds reasonable. As Austinado said, I'm sure a quick call to the factory will settle the whole thing.
BTW...that's a Monster Quad you have :eyecrazy:
Just a normal utility quad, they are all about that weight. The sport quads are lighter, about 400 lbs. I am waiting for a call back from the manufacture.