I just spent 4 days of what I thought would be a great week-end of camping to putting up with the rude & very loud neighbors. :yikes: They thought that it was ok to go until 2 am with a laugh of a person that I wanted to drown. The next morning when I said something to them, they said that we are not staying at a 5 star hotel. Sometimes I think that people forget to respect others. I don't think camping is what it used to be and that with all the cuts to the State Parks, in California they don't have enough people to take care of this issue. And on top of it they had over 25 people and 8 tents on the space and the Ranger let them stay. Boy I guess not following the rules does work for some people. I think that I will start camping on the week-days before a long holiday week-end and leave the crazy week-ends to others.
Sorry to hear about your lousy camping neighbor's. For the most part. people camping are very considerate of there neighbor's, but yes even jerks get out to camp to. And I am really surprised the rangers wouldn't do anything about it. You might want to send an email or letter to the rangers head office and give them dates and times of the innocent, because I am sure the ranger person wasn't doing there job that night.
By the way, which CG were you at ?
Quote from: RecumbentmanSorry to hear about your lousy camping neighbor's. For the most part. people camping are very considerate of there neighbor's, but yes even jerks get out to camp to. And I am really surprised the rangers wouldn't do anything about it. You might want to send an email or letter to the rangers head office and give them dates and times of the innocent, because I am sure the ranger person wasn't doing there job that night.
By the way, which CG were you at ?
The park is called Caswell Memorial State Park, Ripon, CA and I talked to the ranger and he says not much he could do except enforce the parking of no more then 2 cars.
Quote from: miss kathyThe park is called Caswell Memorial State Park, Ripon, CA and I talked to the ranger and he says not much he could do except enforce the parking of no more then 2 cars.
What about 'Quiet Time'. Definitely a ranger not doing his/her job. :compumad:
I think I can speak for most of us SoCal people when I say................Quiet time Schmiet time. I can't think of a time we were all hunkered down in our trailers and in bed at 10:00pm. We try to be as quiet as possible, yet we most always get to meet the security guard, sometimes we are on a first name basis.
It's a luck of the draw when you camp in a CG as to who your neighbors are.
Quote from: TheVikingI think I can speak for most of us SoCal people when I say................Quiet time Schmiet time. I can't think of a time we were all hunkered down in our trailers and in bed at 10:00pm. We try to be as quiet as possible, yet we most always get to meet the security guard, sometimes we are on a first name basis.
It's a luck of the draw when you camp in a CG as to who your neighbors are.
It sounds to me like you folks are part of the problem rather than part of the solution. You "try to be as quiet as possible?" Do you realize how much sound travels outdoors? Why do you think that you "get to meet the security guard?" Evidently you are bothering people.
Maybe you should do your camping at a place of your own so that you are not a public nuisance.
Geez.
-Speak
Quote from: SpeakEasyIt sounds to me like you folks are part of the problem rather than part of the solution. You "try to be as quiet as possible?" Do you realize how much sound travels outdoors? Why do you think that you "get to meet the security guard?" Evidently you are bothering people.
Maybe you should do your camping at a place of your own so that you are not a public nuisance.
Geez.
-Speak
You know what Viking, I hate to say it, but SpeakEasy is right. If it's so important for you and your crew to be loud during quiet times then maybe you should consider finding a place where you won't disturb anyone else. After all rules are rules in campgrounds and we don't get to pick and choose which ones we want to obay and which ones we want to break.
It also sounds as though the rangers in that California campground were pretty whimpy.
By the way Viking I hope you don't speak for all Southern Californians, I would like to think that your statement would be the minority approach to camping by those on the left coast.
CajunCamper
Quote from: TheVikingI think I can speak for most of us SoCal people when I say................Quiet time Schmiet time. I can't think of a time we were all hunkered down in our trailers and in bed at 10:00pm. We try to be as quiet as possible, yet we most always get to meet the security guard, sometimes we are on a first name basis.
It's a luck of the draw when you camp in a CG as to who your neighbors are.
Hey Viking. I agree and disagree. I am usually in a group that sits around a campfire drinking fun juice well past midnight. Quiet time doesn't mean you have to be in bed by 10:00 and I realize that people enjoying the campfire will make some noise. It's the loud Hoots and Hollers and occasional F-bombs that set the nuisance folks apart from the typical folks. There is a line to be crossed. Most don't cross it and I can handle the folks who get close to it and know the security guards on a first name basis :D
Those that do cross it should be told to tone it down. Last year, a small but very noisy and profane group kept everyone in the campground up until well after 3am. Finally the rangers sent them packing after multiple warnings. 1 time, after a young mother asked them to keep it down around midnight, and to please stop throwing F-bombs around, they became even more riled up. This prompted the first ranger visit. These are the folks I'm mainly talking about.
Quote from: miss kathyI just spent 4 days of what I thought would be a great week-end of camping to putting up with the rude & very loud neighbors. :yikes: They thought that it was ok to go until 2 am with a laugh of a person that I wanted to drown. The next morning when I said something to them, they said that we are not staying at a 5 star hotel. Sometimes I think that people forget to respect others. I don't think camping is what it used to be and that with all the cuts to the State Parks, in California they don't have enough people to take care of this issue. And on top of it they had over 25 people and 8 tents on the space and the Ranger let them stay. Boy I guess not following the rules does work for some people. I think that I will start camping on the week-days before a long holiday week-end and leave the crazy week-ends to others.
well that was kind of a rude response on their part...I find that tenting groups tend to be louder as it's hard to hang out a tent so they are outside. I'm sorry, The rangers should have enforced the number of tents and peple on the site
there are a great deal of the SCCampers that are late nighters, but we also tend to put the action in the center to help buffer other campers. some people are extremely light sleepers and hear everything. most campgrounds quiet time is until 7 am or 8am...but people let there kids out screaming thru the campgound or starting up their diesel trucks at 6 am, but for some reason that's acceptable??
as far as Vikings comments..when are you guys ever going to learn he says stuff just to get everyone all worked up...weather true or not....he likes to stir it up...so take a deep breath and chill...
You know anytime I have a problem with that I just go outside in my underwear, no shirt, no shoes, and my shotgun. I start talking to trees and acting like me and the trees are carrying on a conversation, and then we get in a little argument and get loud and as soon as I get the offenders attention with this routine I jack a shell in the shotgun and start screaming at the tree with some good ole speaking in tongue action. That usually gets them to pack up and go home with out me even having to speak to them.
People are afraid of crazy people. :banghead: :theking:
Viking....you pot stirrer! :p
I'll come right out and ruffle some feathers. This is my No.1 pet peeve when camping.
My opinion is: If you want to drink and party, get loud and act like an ass.....stay home in your back yard, or stagger on down to the local tavern.
Living in a college town here in southern CA, I'm up to my eyeballs in partying, loud, obnoxious idiots. My next door neighbor, a renter (of course), and a middle aged adult has 2 modes, "work" and "drunk-on-her-front-porch-20'-away-with-a-handful-of-friends".
When she keeps us up, she's greated by my lawn mower at 7am the next morning, followed by a few test runs with my chainsaw.
I won't stand for it in the campground either. One time while tent camping, I pushed my Diesel Rabbit backwards into the parking area which was right next to the tents of the a-holes that had been partying the night before. Nothing like the crack of a diesel engine at 6am and a heavy layer of unburned diesel smoke filter through the ol' campsite, eh!
I agree. I'd start with a phone call to only a supervisor and get the name(s) of the badges that were on duty that weekend, along with the supervisor's name, and then follow up with a letter directly to the supervisor's boss. Sometimes you have to be willing to stand up for what's yours and what's right. Otherwise, you wind up with..........well, like what you wound up with.
Quote from: McCampersYou know anytime I have a problem with that I just go outside in my underwear, no shirt, no shoes, and my shotgun. I start talking to trees and acting like me and the trees are carrying on a conversation, and then we get in a little argument and get loud and as soon as I get the offenders attention with this routine I jack a shell in the shotgun and start screaming at the tree with some good ole speaking in tongue action. That usually gets them to pack up and go home with out me even having to speak to them.
People are afraid of crazy people. :banghead: :theking:
I could of used you this week-end- I don't mind when people are having a good time and it late- it is when they think that they have to talk above a very loud scream that I get pissed. I wished that I had a generator to back up to the side of the tents and pull the cord- what fun that would of been- the problem with state parks is that they don't have "security guards" if you need someone you have to call 911- and the sheriff comes out- like he will do much - except tell them to be quiet and 10 minutes after he leave - it will be worse-and then you have to worry about leaving your site for the rest of the trip for any length of time. : :(
We just had the same type of experience of rude, inconsiderate behavior over Memorial Day weekend in a rural county park campground.
Kids were out running around at all hours getting injured running into things in the dark.
Crying infants in tents were agitated with the adults loudly arguing at the same site in the wee hours.
Two motorhomes and one hardside travel trailer were parked in the same campsite space (one on the intended space and one on either side in the grass) and another 4 or 5 cars visiting the site blocking in the road and parking on our site.
Alcohol and other substances were openly consumed (alcohol not allowed in the park and the other substances not legal anywhere).
Loudly playing music in the showerhouse (with a laptop computer!).
Kids climbing over a pile of gravel brought in for campsite repair, throwing the rocks at each other and anything else of interest.
Shower sinks and showers left running to use up the hot water.
Church youth group meeting at one campsite with loudspeakers set up on tripods (I guess they wanted to save the cost of reserving a shelter for their group).
Tenters washing their dishes and leaving suds, grease and food particles under the water hydrants. Neighboring campers trying to start and tune a noisy moped.
Since my campsite was near the lake, a rusty conversion van full of loud fishing teens parked on my campsite to shorten their walk to the lake.
Other camping adults walking to the front of my campsite where they got somewhat better cellphone reception to repeatedly loudly call for more people to come join the party at their campsite.
Needless to say, we didn't spend much time at our campsite or get a lot of sleep. We were out hiking, fishing, geocaching, visiting garden centers and plant nurseries, and visiting local antique shops. This was our second visit to this campground, and my wife tells me it was her last.
Quote from: CajunCamperYou know what Viking, I hate to say it, but SpeakEasy is right. If it's so important for you and your crew to be loud during quiet times then maybe you should consider finding a place where you won't disturb anyone else.
CajunCamper
He has... I believe he calls it "The Dez"
Quote from: sacrawfWe just had the same type of experience of rude, inconsiderate behavior over Memorial Day weekend in a rural county park campground....
Sacrawf, you must have been camping here in Cali? Tell me that doesn't happen in the beautiful Land of Lincoln! :yikes:
Our stay up top at the Grand Canyon was "disturbed" by the big tent camping group across the road. Umpteen cars parked everywhere, a tent city, a big generator running most of the time to power a huge TV so they could stand around hooting and playing a video game. Really made me glad to think we'd just driven 12hrs and 2 days and spent a couple hundred in fuel in order to pay an entrance fee and then listen to that.
Similar deal in Kings Canyon Nat'l Park, but thank goodness we were on the other side of a hill from the pack of 20+ who'd rented a stake side U-haul to bring up all their gear, food, and water. Nothing like a game of convict football in the middle of the campground to let you know they think the world is their ghetto.
Mmmm......wait, why do I do this again?
Actually the park was in Indiana.
I saw some wooded land for sale while driving around this weekend. Made some inquiries today. Perhaps buying and making my own private "park" would solve the problem, as I and any guests would be the only "campers" on over twenty acres. Can you still call it camping if it is a one-room primative cabin?
Well funny to hear others had issues this weekend too.
There were 3 in our group. Mom and dad in the 37
Wow, I can't believe what some of you have to put up with! We camped 4 nights at our local state park (North Carolina) this past weekend. And like our other NC state park experiences, the weekend was a QUIET one. All of the sites (151) were full. Yet there was no loud music, no loud people, etc., in our loop at least. Our closest neighbors had several kids, yet they were quiet, especially during quiet hours. Kids played in the road during the day, but were very considerate. The neighbors across the road lit up their campsite with 2 gas lanterns each evening, but there were enough trees between us to keep them from bothering us at all.
Each evening we would put our son in his stroller and walk through the CG. Walking down 3 different loops, we experienced the same behavior on those loops, too. Kids playing, some adults throwing a football in the road, etc., but all respectful, and no obnoxious behavior.
One thing that I think helps is that they have a written "no alcohol" policy in all state parks. But I think their unofficial policy is "don't show, don't tell". If you keep it in a discreet cup and behave yourself, they won't bother you about it. That eliminates those who come out to party it up. The rangers are armed, and they patrol quite frequently. They don't tolerate those who make camping unpleasant for others.
First of all a crowded KOA during a holiday weekend is a recipe for disaster. These privately owned campgrounds are going to do anything they can to make money and that means stacking people on top of each other. That includes Jellystone and most of the other private campgrounds. I really don't know how people stay in those places, especially Yogi Town. We have learned over the years to stay clear of many campgrounds during the holidays, that seems to be when the nuts and drunks come out of the woodwork. I have to say though, in the campgrounds we frequent in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas and Florida, the park rangers will not tolerate that kind of behavior, I have seen them run people out in the middle of the night.
It is rediculous when people act that way and it sounds as though in the places talked about in this post, their rude behavior has no consiquences.
CajunCamper
Quote from: Dee4jas far as Vikings comments..when are you guys ever going to learn he says stuff just to get everyone all worked up...weather true or not....he likes to stir it up...so take a deep breath and chill...
Funny huh? It's like fishing. I throw out the line and look at all the bites!
However, did you notice how all I said was that we were not the type to be in bed by 10:00, we meet the security guard(Most hang out with us), and I even said we try to be as quiet as possible. All of a sudden I get responses that I am a public nuisance from Speakeasy like it's only me breaking the quiet time rule in California, LOL. Cajun Camper says we have whimpy Rangers in Cali, I never mentioned rangers, we don't camp where there are Rangers. By the way CC, I never said I spoke for the Left coast, if fact, I didn't even say it was the majority of our group. We don't yell profanities or talk to trees either. So, when you all are done blowing this out of proportion and trying mount some sort of attack on me personally, make sure you understad where I'm coming from.
miss kathy, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. It was the luck of the draw that you got stuck with such an unruly crowd, and it sucks. But before these people convince you it was me making all the noise, I was not there.
Quote from: TheVikingFunny huh? It's like fishing. I throw out the line and look at all the bites!
However, did you notice how all I said was that we were not the type to be in bed by 10:00, we meet the security guard(Most hang out with us), and I even said we try to be as quiet as possible. All of a sudden I get responses that I am a public nuisance from Speakeasy like it's only me breaking the quiet time rule in California, LOL. Cajun Camper says we have whimpy Rangers in Cali, I never mentioned rangers, we don't camp where there are Rangers. By the way CC, I never said I spoke for the Left coast, if fact, I didn't even say it was the majority of our group. We don't yell profanities or talk to trees either. So, when you all are done blowing this out of proportion and trying mount some sort of attack on me personally, make sure you understad where I'm coming from.
miss kathy, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. It was the luck of the draw that you got stuck with such an unruly crowd, and it sucks. But before these people convince you it was me making all the noise, I was not there.
You need to find a new hobby :Z ;) ..I must admit I have to laugh at all the feathers you get ruffled :J which is so easy to do with some people around here...It keeps me comin' back for more :p....you am what you am.... :U
I feel bad for all of you who had your trips ruined by inconsiderate neighbors! It's really disappointing to arrive at a campsite with high hopes for a great weekend and have them ruined by a bunch of rude people. It's happened to us more than a few times both tenting and PUPing.
That said, I admit to not being the quietest person and since I'm somewhat hard of hearing (many years of headphone abuse) people have to speak a little loudly to me as well. I don't use profanity in regular conversation (though "dammit!" is unfortunately an involuntary reflex when getting stung by a bee or burning myself while cooking - yes, I am extremely clumsy). We, as parents, try to behave as we wish others would behave when around our children. It's REALLY frustrating when you and your camping crowd are trying to be considerate of others' families and you don't receive the same respect in return.
What is particularly hard to witness is when people don't watch their children - I've never seen a serious accident but I can't tell you how many LITTLE children (like preschool age) I've seen playing in the road and/or wandering around the campground unattended. It's almost as if people seem to think that the act of camping generates some kind of accident immunity.
Quote from: TheVikingFunny huh? It's like fishing. I throw out the line and look at all the bites!
However, did you notice how all I said was that we were not the type to be in bed by 10:00, we meet the security guard(Most hang out with us), and I even said we try to be as quiet as possible. All of a sudden I get responses that I am a public nuisance from Speakeasy like it's only me breaking the quiet time rule in California, LOL. Cajun Camper says we have whimpy Rangers in Cali, I never mentioned rangers, we don't camp where there are Rangers. By the way CC, I never said I spoke for the Left coast, if fact, I didn't even say it was the majority of our group. We don't yell profanities or talk to trees either. So, when you all are done blowing this out of proportion and trying mount some sort of attack on me personally, make sure you understad where I'm coming from.
miss kathy, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. It was the luck of the draw that you got stuck with such an unruly crowd, and it sucks. But before these people convince you it was me making all the noise, I was not there.
I believe that you were not there- Maybe it would of helped if you were. :yikes:
you know, I paid for the site, it is mine and I will do as I d#$% well please.
If you don't like it, just pack up your little tent on wheels and leave.
This is why our family no longer camps on long holiday weekends.
The campground is always packed, and seems to be full of bozos. :J
Our favorite story was two years ago on Labor Day weekend. :D
No Thanks!
Quote from: miss kathyI believe that you were not there- Maybe it would of helped if you were. :yikes:
Some of the SCCampers and I would have had your back. We have done it before with some unruly campers that take things too far. Just ask the Vail Lake crew of the Halloween 2006 Rally. We almost came to blows with some drunk, loud, and obnoxious people in a 250K motorhome. We just know when enough is enough, some don't.
Quote from: TheVikingFunny huh? It's like fishing. I throw out the line and look at all the bites!
However, did you notice how all I said was that we were not the type to be in bed by 10:00, we meet the security guard(Most hang out with us), and I even said we try to be as quiet as possible. All of a sudden I get responses that I am a public nuisance from Speakeasy like it's only me breaking the quiet time rule in California, LOL. Cajun Camper says we have whimpy Rangers in Cali, I never mentioned rangers, we don't camp where there are Rangers. By the way CC, I never said I spoke for the Left coast, if fact, I didn't even say it was the majority of our group. We don't yell profanities or talk to trees either. So, when you all are done blowing this out of proportion and trying mount some sort of attack on me personally, make sure you understad where I'm coming from.
miss kathy, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. It was the luck of the draw that you got stuck with such an unruly crowd, and it sucks. But before these people convince you it was me making all the noise, I was not there.
Okay Viking, I'll admitt it I took the bait: But you did say in your original post that "I think I can speak for most of us SoCal people" maybe you didn't say all, but come on. You said in this post that I said you have "whimpy Rangers in Cali" well that is not what I said, I said "It also sounds as though the rangers in that California campground were pretty whimpy." as you can see I was talking about the specific campground Miss Kathy was referring to. You see I can split hairs too. Furthermore if you were surprised because some of us didn't understand you, then maybe you shouldn't bait a hook and cast it out there if you don't want someone to bite.
You knew what you were doing you sly dog, and now I know to watch out for you. I understand you now, and if you ever camp next to me, I would expect to have a cold one together, even if it is after 10:00.
CajunCamper
Quote from: GeneFyou know, I paid for the site, it is mine and I will do as I d#$% well please.
If you don't like it, just pack up your little tent on wheels and leave.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
I prefer camping in Private campgrounds...at least the ones I've stayed at has a staff person there to deal with stuff...State parks the rangers go home at 9 or 10 pm, then it's a fre for all and the only number you have is a recording
Quote from: Dee4jROTFLMAO!!!!
I prefer camping in Private campgrounds...at least the ones I've stayed at has a staff person there to deal with stuff...State parks the rangers go home at 9 or 10 pm, then it's a fre for all and the only number you have is a recording
Thanks for lauging because I meant it that way but the ones that don't care about their neighbors have that attitude.
Quote from: GeneFThanks for lauging because I meant it that way but the ones that don't care about their neighbors have that attitude.
YOu are so right-they think that they paid $20 and they can do what they please. But they really only paid for 8 idiots and I got a total of 25 idoits for the same price- what a cheap week-end for them -and for me wished I had not gone and spent the $100 on gas, $200 on food, $160 on site and just to add fuel a extra $18 for parking. Think I will stay home the next time or only camp in the winter.
Quote from: miss kathyYOu are so right-they think that they paid $20 and they can do what they please. But they really only paid for 8 idiots and I got a total of 25 idoits for the same price- what a cheap week-end for them -and for me wished I had not gone and spent the $100 on gas, $200 on food, $160 on site and just to add fuel a extra $18 for parking. Think I will stay home the next time or only camp in the winter.
Exactly how we felt upon arriving at the Grand Canyon.....That was a lot of money and time to get to listen to someone's video game, party, and generator.
Quote from: austinado16Exactly how we felt upon arriving at the Grand Canyon.....That was a lot of money and time to get to listen to someone's video game, party, and generator.
As they say "That is how life is sometimes" :eyecrazy:
Quote from: TheVikingFunny huh? It's like fishing. I throw out the line and look at all the bites!
However, did you notice how all I said was that we were not the type to be in bed by 10:00, we meet the security guard(Most hang out with us), and I even said we try to be as quiet as possible. All of a sudden I get responses that I am a public nuisance from Speakeasy like it's only me breaking the quiet time rule in California, LOL. Cajun Camper says we have whimpy Rangers in Cali, I never mentioned rangers, we don't camp where there are Rangers. By the way CC, I never said I spoke for the Left coast, if fact, I didn't even say it was the majority of our group. We don't yell profanities or talk to trees either. So, when you all are done blowing this out of proportion and trying mount some sort of attack on me personally, make sure you understad where I'm coming from.
miss kathy, I'm sorry you had such a hard time. It was the luck of the draw that you got stuck with such an unruly crowd, and it sucks. But before these people convince you it was me making all the noise, I was not there.
Yep!!!! That's our "Viking".......truth is, he's probably the quietest one in the group......he just has a hard time keeping his chair upright.... :sombraro:
Quote from: waveryYep!!!! That's our "Viking".......truth is, he's probably the quietest one in the group......he just has a hard time keeping his chair upright.... :sombraro:
DOH!!! now that's funny..and true :p
I almost got out this weekend but waited til it was too late for any of the nicer CG's. I did not want to drive an hour to stay at a parking lot KOA. I got the local paper and saw where a man was killed when he came across one of those loud drunks.
http://advocateanddemocrat.com/story/14399
I have found that the best cg's have a little more space and rules that are enforced.
Quote from: MomboTNI almost got out this weekend but waited til it was too late for any of the nicer CG's. I did not want to drive an hour to stay at a parking lot KOA. I got the local paper and saw where a man was killed when he came across one of those loud drunks.
http://advocateanddemocrat.com/story/14399
I have found that the best cg's have a little more space and rules that are enforced.
Ain't campin fuuuun :eyecrazy: :screwy:
Quote from: GeneFyou know, I paid for the site, it is mine and I will do as I d#$% well please.
If you don't like it, just pack up your little tent on wheels and leave.
Yup those guys used that exact argument this weekend... As if I got my site free?!
Our KOAs in Northern Cali are pretty nice, at least the ones in my area, they aren't nearly as stacked as others I've seen, and we love the family orientation they have, but its certainly not the only places we camp. THIS KOA sucked more due to the owners that run it.
Yes I called KOA directly. They paid for my member card for the next year as well as my brothers (they were due next month). They want pics (which we have) and they are sending a team of investigators to the CG who specifically deal with these type of complaints.
Next trip is back to the coast and right on the beach in 3 weeks. Can't wait!
Quote from: harleywolfYes I called KOA directly. They paid for my member card for the next year as well as my brothers (they were due next month). They want pics (which we have) and they are sending a team of investigators to the CG who specifically deal with these type of complaints.
Nice job getting some justice!
We ran into this same cr#p last fall in a $110/night hotel and the night clerk would do nothing about the loud couple next door (drunk and partying). The next day, the front desk offered a 20% discount. I said no thanks, called corporate and not only got the room comp't, but got a voucher for a free night at any of their chain.
Quote from: austinado16Nice job getting some justice!
We ran into this same cr#p last fall in a $110/night hotel and the night clerk would do nothing about the loud couple next door (drunk and partying). The next day, the front desk offered a 20% discount. I said no thanks, called corporate and not only got the room comp't, but got a voucher for a free night at any of their chain.
Read the article that MomboTN posted and you'll see why the guy didn't get in the middle of a domestic. I'd have called the police myself.
Know all about the dangers of "domestics." This wasn't a brawl, it was just 2 twenty-something's partying it up. Corporate agreed with me that the night manager should have called the local PD and had them booted out.
Another great reason to become part of something like Coast to Coast. We go to these campgrounds and there is nothing like that going on. Plus you get the miniature golf and all the blue hairs!
Whew.........this was fun reading......Hahaaaaaaaaaa