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Title: Electric Wench- HELP ???
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Mar 28, 2010, 10:04 PM
Need help !  Please !  We are first time campers.
Today, we tried to hook up our newly mounted electric wench to my minivan to raise the pop-up. (We can't crank that heavy camper.)  The winch worked for 3 seconds and QUIT. Then the minivan wouldn't start !!!!
Had to get a wrecker to tow the van to Firestone.  They say our battery is fine & jumping the van with a super-duper battery charger didn't work. We can't find any bad fuses either.
Does anyone had an idea of what happened ?  We know it was a mistake NOT to have the engine running when we tried to run the wench off of the power port.  All ideas are appreciated.
Still waiting for maiden voyage...
Cindy
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Post by: wavery on Mar 28, 2010, 10:22 PM
Hi Cindy.......

[SIZE="7"][COLOR="Red"]WELCOME TO PUT!!![/COLOR][/SIZE]

Those darn "Wenches" are so unreliable. Did you pick-up this wench from a HomeDepot parking lot? You may try a higher quality wench....... one between 16 & 45 and over 150#........:p

Sorry.....I couldn't help it......I'm the resident "smart a$$"...:rolleyes:

Anyway...... what size battery do you have on your camper? The "Winch" should work off of the camper battery and the battery must be fully charged. It does help to have the TV (Tow Vehicle) engine running (it will increase the power some) but it should operate without the TV even being hooked up.

If you wired the winch to the trailer harness port, that was a big mistake. It MUST be wired to the trailer battery with about 10G or 12G wire, depending on how far the run is from the winch motor to the battery.. The trailer wire harness is not big enough to handle the amperage of an electric motor.

If the camper battery is discharged, the TV is trying to charge the battery plus run the winch.........That's why the TV battery went dead. If you were running the fridge on 12V, that just added insult to injury....
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Post by: Hoagie on Mar 29, 2010, 10:23 AM
Quote from: wavery;216008Sorry.....I couldn't help it......I'm the resident "smart a$$"...:rolleyes:

Hi Cindy. Welcome to the boards. You'll find a lot of very helpful information here from a lot of knowledgeable people....even from Wayne.
Title: Big Hello
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Mar 30, 2010, 09:46 PM
Mr. & Mrs. Hoagie,
Thanks for the welcome to PUT.  My husband and I are going to need
a lot of advice before we venture out for our first trip in this used
camper. Neither of us can crank the pop-up.  The ads make it look so easy, but I'm not strong enough & my husband reinjured his back when he cranked it. Please feel free to jump in with any advice.
Many Thanks,
     Cyn                           Wayne has been a great help !
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Post by: wavery on Mar 30, 2010, 11:43 PM
Hi Cindy,

Did you guys get a battery yet?

If you will measure how far it is from the winch to the battery and how many amps the winch draws, I'll tell you what size wire you should use. The amps should be on a label on the motor or the specs that came with it.

Wayne
Title: Reply
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Mar 30, 2010, 11:52 PM
Hi Wayne,
Thanks for thinking about our problem.  
Do you understand that my little pop-up is old and with only the bare essentials ?  We can't find a battery in the camper !!!!  
I know that sounds odd, but we've looked.....
Perhaps, I need to go on-line and try to order a copy of the owner's manual.
That would really be useful right about now.
Cyn  (not Cindy)
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Post by: wavery on Mar 31, 2010, 12:29 AM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216120Hi Wayne,
Thanks for thinking about our problem.  
Do you understand that my little pop-up is old and with only the bare essentials ?  We can't find a battery in the camper !!!!  
I know that sounds odd, but we've looked.....
Perhaps, I need to go on-line and try to order a copy of the owner's manual.
That would really be useful right about now.
Cyn  (not Cindy)

OOOOPS.....sorry Cyn....:o

If you are going to have a 12V winch on your trailer, it will have to have it's own battery, mounted on the trailer.

Most PUs have a place on the trailer tongue to store a battery. It's usually a couple of pieces of angle iron about 10" apart from one side of the frame to the other.

I would recommend getting a series 24, 27 or 29, deep cycle battery, (bigger is usually better). Interstate makes good deep cycle batteries but if you are only going to use it for this winch, a "Big Box" store battery may do (just get the best battery that fits your budget). Chances are, once you have a battery on your trailer, you will slowely add other 12V items, like lights and/or water pump. You'll also need a battery box that will fit the battery that you select ($10 at Walmart). The battery box just sits on the angle iron and the webbing that comes with the box goes around the battery box and angle iron to keep the battery in place.

You will need to run a 10G wire from the  negative side of the battery to a place nearby on the frame. You will also need to run a wire from the positive side of the battery to the positive wire on the winch (probably a 12G or 10G wire....bigger is better). That wire should have a 30A in-line fuse right at the battery (available at Walmart or any auto parts store). Then run the negative wire from the winch to a bolt on the frame, close to the winch (I am assuming that the winch is located on the back of the trailer).
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Post by: Recumbentman on Mar 31, 2010, 10:06 AM
Cyn-Cyn
Welcome to PUT. It would help if you listed what type of PU you have. We could help steer you guys in the right path better knowing this.
Go to this Web site (//%22http://www.popupportal.com/index.php?page=manuals%22) and find your PU and download or copy the manual for your PU and read through it. I am sure it will help you understand your PU better. If you do not find your year, just get another one close to your year, because they do not change much. ;)
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Post by: dkutz on Mar 31, 2010, 11:52 AM
without knowing specifics, the first thing that comes to mind is why is it so hard to lift? Is it possible that the wiffle tree or crank mechanism needs to be cleaned and lubed?  Don't know how old the trailer is or what condition, if you bought it used, there maybe an issue with the lift mechanism...
Title: Electric Wench ???
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 02, 2010, 11:43 PM
Thanks to everyone who answered my call for HELP.  What I have is a:
1993 Sun Lite, Nighthawk IV camper made in Bristol, Indiana. The company is out of business.  I was excited to check for an owner's manual, but my little POP-UP isn't listed.  Boooo !
This is a basic 10' X 7' box with A.C., heat, small refrig., 3 burner propane stove and weighs only 1,400 lbs.
The electric wench is 12 volt, radio controlled with a 3,000 lb. capacity.
It's mounted to the trailer tow "thing".

Wayne, does this make any sense to you ?
Everyone, feel free to jump in with ideas for finding a manual or where the battery is or how to crank this with the electric wench.
We are babes in the woods. Actually, we've never made it to the woods yet.
   Many Thanks,
       Cyn   :confused:
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Post by: wavery on Apr 03, 2010, 12:35 AM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216232Thanks to everyone who answered my call for HELP.  What I have is a:
1993 Sun Lite, Nighthawk IV camper made in Bristol, Indiana. The company is out of business.  I was excited to check for an owner's manual, but my little POP-UP isn't listed.  Boooo !
This is a basic 10' X 7' box with A.C., heat, small refrig., 3 burner propane stove and weighs only 1,400 lbs.
The electric wench is 12 volt, radio controlled with a 3,000 lb. capacity.
It's mounted to the trailer tow "thing".

Wayne, does this make any sense to you ?
Everyone, feel free to jump in with ideas for finding a manual or where the battery is or how to crank this with the electric wench.
We are babes in the woods. Actually, we've never made it to the woods yet.
   Many Thanks,
       Cyn   :confused:

I'm baffled. Pics would be nice......is this winch standard equipment on this trailer or something that someone came up with?
Title: Electric Wench
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 03, 2010, 12:50 AM
I bought the camper last summer.... against my husband's wishes.
It came with an ordinary crank which was easy to lower but very
difficult to crank UP.  I don't have the strength or energy and Don hurt his back trying to do this.  So, Don and a friend attached the new electric wench.  We had never tried it until last weekend when it didn't work.

Do you have any idea where to find a manual for this old, little camper ?

Thanks,
Cyn
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Post by: Spirit Deer on Apr 03, 2010, 09:43 AM
I'm doubtful a manual would really be much help.  Camper manuals are very generic and don't usually get very specific, and they don't include instructions for the individual appliances, which usually have their own manuals.

Go back to the link given above for downloading owner's manuals and download one from the same era as your camper.  Chances are, the information will be similar to what your manual would have been.  These trailers often used the same lift systems across a variety of brands.  I think Coleman/Fleetwood used a different system than most others, so you might want to skip those manuals.  I think most of the others use Goshen lift systems so you can either check Goshen's site or see if there's a manual that might be of use to you.  I know Palomino uses Goshen lifts, so you might start by checking Palomino manuals to see if there's any info for you there.  You may be able to figure it out by looking under the trailer and noting the configuration of the lifters, then comparing that to online info.  

If the winch (not wench) is new, then it should have its own manual.  If the winch isn't intended for use specifically on a camper, then you may be flirting with disaster because you need stop limit switches at the top and bottom of the run to avoid raising the roof too high or loosening the cables when you close up to the point they come out of their runs.

If you cannot raise a 10' roof by use of the hand crank, it sounds to me like possibly the lifters need to be lubed, or the cables are not correctly aligned.  To lube the lifters, you will have to crawl under the trailer and locate the grease zerks where you will then use a grease gun to shoot white lithium grease (available at Walmart, NAPA, etc.) into said zerks till they are full.  If the cables are no longer seated correctly, that's something someone else will need to explain to you because we haven't yet encountered that problem ourselves.  Start by lubing the lifters if you haven't, and see if that improves things at all.

Good luck.
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Post by: 4Campers on Apr 03, 2010, 10:22 AM
Another option to think of is a portable drill. Some people use these to crank the pup up instead of cranking by hand. However the issue with these is a strong wrist because if it gets away on you it's strong enough to flip a person over (or break a wrist if you don't backflip). I have seen one rigged up on a homemade post to keep it from doing this, ie- the post holds the drill in place.
I agree with the other posts here, a good lube job on the lift poles and the winch may help. Use a good silicone lube so you don't get dust clinging to the poles/winch. They sell such lubricants at any camping store or search campingworld.com
Good Luck and Welcome to PUT!!
Title: Wicked Winch of the West
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 29, 2010, 09:50 AM
Thank you to all the POP-UP PEOPLE who responded to my call for help on 3-28-2010 concerning my electric winch problem.  The problem is SOLVED !!!
After blowing out several fuses and tearing our hair out because we could NOT open the pop-up.... a friend suggested that the instructions (which came with the elect. winch) were wrong. We did what the manuf. said, to plug in their cord to our Caravan's power port/cig. lighter. DISASTER !!!
Friend suggested to hook up directly to the van's battery and ZIP....
the camper went up with the touch of the remote control button.
It was a wonderful sight !
Apparently, the port did not produce enough electrical power to support the electric winch, but our van battery does.
MANY THANKS !
Cyn








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Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216006Need help !  Please !  We are first time campers.
Today, we tried to hook up our newly mounted electric wench to my minivan to raise the pop-up. (We can't crank that heavy camper.)  The winch worked for 3 seconds and QUIT. Then the minivan wouldn't start !!!!
Had to get a wrecker to tow the van to Firestone.  They say our battery is fine & jumping the van with a super-duper battery charger didn't work. We can't find any bad fuses either.
Does anyone had an idea of what happened ?  We know it was a mistake NOT to have the engine running when we tried to run the wench off of the power port.  All ideas are appreciated.
Still waiting for maiden voyage...
Cindy
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Post by: wavery on Apr 29, 2010, 01:15 PM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216814Thank you to all the POP-UP PEOPLE who responded to my call for help on 3-28-2010 concerning my electric winch problem.  The problem is SOLVED !!!
After blowing out several fuses and tearing our hair out because we could NOT open the pop-up.... a friend suggested that the instructions (which came with the elect. winch) were wrong. We did what the manuf. said, to plug in their cord to our Caravan's power port/cig. lighter. DISASTER !!!
Friend suggested to hook up directly to the van's battery and ZIP....
the camper went up with the touch of the remote control button.
It was a wonderful sight !
Apparently, the port did not produce enough electrical power to support the electric winch, but our van battery does.
MANY THANKS !
Cyn








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Cyn,

Did you ever find the battery on the trailer????:confused:. You would be FAR better off wiring the winch directly to the trailer battery (use a 30A in-line fuse on the + side). I don't mean through a cig lighter either. The wires from the winch should go directly to the camper battery.

That way, you don't have to mess around with hooking it up and unhooking it every time that you want to use it. If it were wired direct to the camper battery, you would just have to push the button and it would go.

There are also risks with hooking up to the van battery. I won't go into it but trust me, that is not your best or safest option.
Title: Battery
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 29, 2010, 01:29 PM
Wayne,
Thanks for staying with me on this issue.  The fact is ....  I CAN'T FIND A BATTERY IN MY CAMPER !!!   I've tried today to locate a manual for another popup from 1993... maybe a Coleman to read online, but never got it.
I don't believe that I have a battery.  I'm going to work on the camper right now while it's open.

Is it safe and workable to buy a car battery and mount it somewhere in the popup for this purpose ?  I deeply appreciate your concern and advice.
Thanks,
Cyn
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Post by: oreo57 on Apr 29, 2010, 02:55 PM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216819Wayne,
Thanks for staying with me on this issue. The fact is .... I CAN'T FIND A BATTERY IN MY CAMPER !!! I've tried today to locate a manual for another popup from 1993... maybe a Coleman to read online, but never got it.
I don't believe that I have a battery. I'm going to work on the camper right now while it's open.
 
Is it safe and workable to buy a car battery and mount it somewhere in the popup for this purpose ? I deeply appreciate your concern and advice.
Thanks,
Cyn

Never mount the battery IN your popup unless its mounted in a sealed and vented to the outside battery case.
JMTC
Title: Battery Question
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 29, 2010, 03:29 PM
Dear JMTC:
You sould like you know what you're talking about.  So, I'll take your word for it.  A battery will ONLY be mounted outside.

Question:
Does a plain old car battery produce electricity if it's not hooked up to a car ?
I'm looking for a way to raise and lower the popup without opening our back gate and carefully driving the Caravan into the back yard.
Thanks,
Cyn
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Post by: wavery on Apr 29, 2010, 05:07 PM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216821Dear JMTC:
You sould like you know what you're talking about.  So, I'll take your word for it.  A battery will ONLY be mounted outside.

Question:
Does a plain old car battery produce electricity if it's not hooked up to a car ?
I'm looking for a way to raise and lower the popup without opening our back gate and carefully driving the Caravan into the back yard.
Thanks,
Cyn

Please read post #7 (in this thread) again.

If your camper does not have lights or an electric water pump, it may not be set-up for a 12V battery. All you have to do is make a stable platform for the battery on the trailer tongue and mount the battery (in a proper battery box). You will also have to buy a 3-stage car battery charger to charge your battery. Charge the battery before each camp-out and it should raise and lower your top with no problem.

You could also install 12V lights and water pump in your camper after you have a battery installed.

If you could take a picture of the tongue of your trailer and post it on here, we may be able to assist you better.
Title: Battery cont.
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 29, 2010, 08:49 PM
Hi Wayne,
Thanks for hanging in there with me. My camper has electric lights, tiny refrig, and AC which runs when I plug in the elect. ext. cord. to an outlet. It seems to have a heater, along with a 3 burner stove, which is propane. Wait !  
I ASSUME that the heater is NOT electric, but I don't know.

I need to figure out how to load pics to make this less of a guessing game for you.  I'll work on that. A storm seems to be coming in tonight and the wind is about to blow my.... never used (by me)... camper away.
Please be patient.
Thank you.
  Cyn
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Post by: wavery on Apr 29, 2010, 09:25 PM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216837Hi Wayne,
Thanks for hanging in there with me. My camper has electric lights, tiny refrig, and AC which runs when I plug in the elect. ext. cord. to an outlet. It seems to have a heater, along with a 3 burner stove, which is propane. Wait !  
I ASSUME that the heater is NOT electric, but I don't know.

I need to figure out how to load pics to make this less of a guessing game for you.  I'll work on that. A storm seems to be coming in tonight and the wind is about to blow my.... never used (by me)... camper away.
Please be patient.
Thank you.
  Cyn
I'm fairly certain that you have a spot on the trailer tongue for a battery. The fact that your 12V lights work (I'm assuming they are 12V) while plugged into AC tells me that you must have a converter in this camper. That means that you may well already have a black and white wire out on the trailer tongue somewhere. Take a look and see if you don't find those 2 wires.
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Post by: oreo57 on Apr 29, 2010, 09:44 PM
Is this a Sun-Lite popup truck camper or a trailer with a popup top ??
Title: My Pop-Up Camper
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on Apr 29, 2010, 10:09 PM
Hi Mike, I looked at the pics of your camper and mine is somewhat like yours only ours is OLDER and NOT as NICE as yours. We don't have a table and booth either. So, mine is an antique compared to your bright, clean camper.
I see that your photographs came from Picassa.  That's were mine are too, but I don't know how to move them to this site for public viewing.
Any simple suggestions ?
Thanks,
Cyn
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Post by: wavery on Apr 29, 2010, 11:07 PM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;216841Hi Mike, I looked at the pics of your camper and mine is somewhat like yours only ours is OLDER and NOT as NICE as yours. We don't have a table and booth either. So, mine is an antique compared to your bright, clean camper.
I see that your photographs came from Picassa.  That's were mine are too, but I don't know how to move them to this site for public viewing.
Any simple suggestions ?
Thanks,
Cyn

OK.......Open Picasa and find the particular pic that you want to post
Click on the pic >

Just to the right of the pic.....click on "Link to this Photo" >

In the box below where it says "Link", highlight and "copy" all of the characters in the box >

Come back to this thread and open a reply post >

Right click in that post and "Paste" the "Link" into the post >

Put . . after the link.

It should end up looking something like this:
[ IMG]http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qfbUhEUT061eFiILhmgOcw?feat=directlink[/IMG]

That will put the pic into your post
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Post by: oreo57 on Apr 29, 2010, 11:17 PM
Great job Wayne........or to cheat a little click on user CP and edit your details and add the home page URL to your profile which would look like this :http://picasaweb.google.com with the subdirectory where the files are for your pictures mine is, (mypopupmods) as you can see.
 
But thats JMTC = just my two cents.
 
Best of luck ,Mike
Title: Electric Winch WORKS !!!
Post by: Cyn-Cyn on May 12, 2010, 01:05 AM
Hello Everyone, especially Wonderful Wayne. We recently bought a new marine/rv battery and box for the little pop-up. Now, with a touch of a switch.... the top goes UP and DOWN, as if my magic.

I hope to eventually take our first trip.  Perhaps, our first trip should be in our own backyard in case my husband's back injury becomes painful.

Please accept my most sincere thanks for your help.
Wayne, you're wonderful !  :D Thanks for hanging in there with me.

Cyn:U
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Post by: wavery on May 12, 2010, 01:35 AM
Quote from: Cyn-Cyn;217085Hello Everyone, especially Wonderful Wayne. We recently bought a new marine/rv battery and box for the little pop-up. Now, with a touch of a switch.... the top goes UP and DOWN, as if my magic.

I hope to eventually take our first trip.  Perhaps, our first trip should be in our own backyard in case my husband's back injury becomes painful.

Please accept my most sincere thanks for your help.
Wayne, you're wonderful !  :D Thanks for hanging in there with me.

Cyn:U

Glad the project was succesful.

Now you can start thinking about adding some 12V lights to that puppy........or a 12V water pump......:sombraro: