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[AustinBoston]

The big question is........who gets the ticket? The speeder or the person not speeding?
 
Pull over when it is safe? I guess that would be in an area where people were not speeding. Hmmmm... what a dilemma.

If they're stuck behind you and your spedometer, then nobody is speeding.

If I am doing the speed limit, I don't care if I get a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic , towing or not towing.

You should.  You might well get turned in for being partly at fault in the accident.  Remember, every driver behind you will be mad at you, not just the idiot who decided to pass in an unsafe manner.

It would be make for a good conversation piece and probably an interesting news article.

Actually, people who live in those areas would not even notice.  If there was a news article, the headline would be "How come they don't do this more often?" because they have all sat behind vehicles that would not move out of the way for 12 miles uphill in a 35 zone, then another 8 miles down the other side in a 30 zone.

Believe me, a slower driver can become a real nuisance in some places.  These laws didn't grow themselves.  They came out of a real need and real political pressure.  They have been tested in court, and they have stood up.

The only reason they are not enforced a lot more is because the roads they really apply on are seldom patrolled.  But if you are so worried about the speed limit, you really ought to be concerend with this, because it is just as against the law as speeding.

Austin

[chasd60]

I'll take my chances and stick with the posted speed limit. Sounds like we have the right to choose and you choose to break the law by speeding approach and I choose to break the law by impeding the flow of traffic while doing the speed limit.
 
  I have to say that I have had a couple of speeding tickets in my life but I have yet to be stopped for doing the speed limit. I drive 46 miles to get to work every day and haven't had a problem. You refer to people that do the speed limit as "slower drivers". I leave with plenty of time so I don't have to drive like a maniac.
 
  Maybe we should test this out. You drive 20mph over the speed limit every where you go for the next month and I'll do the speed limit and we can collect the data and tabulate the results.

[flyfisherman]

If you think North Carolina is mountainous, you need to get out more!  When you can show me a NC road with a 12% grade or a NC road that maintains >8% grade for 12 continuous miles, then you can call it mountainous.
Yes, I've driven in NC (DSIL is stationed at Camp Lejeune in Jacksonville...drove I-40 from Knoxville with a 5,000 lb trailer strapped on)

Very familar with that stretch of I-40 from Knoxville to Wilmington, have traveled it many times. But that's really not mountain driving. After all, interstates were designed to find the easest way, and where the going got  tough, they drilled and dynamited and tunneled through to make the way a kind  of piece a cake. If you want to experience mountain driving in North Carolina, you need to get off that prissy interstate and take on some of the secondary two lane roads, afterall, those would be the kind we were taking about, where you have to find a place to pass. There are some river gorge roads that will fill the bill for what your looking for; a real sharp decent and they will indeed last for longer than 12 miles. They will zigzag and cut back so sharp that you'll be able to study your camper's rear bumper! And you'll drop and drop and drop and  wonder if your ever going to reach the bottom, ears popping on the way down. Then when you do, in a short distance, you'll have to start the climb out, just as steep and as long a distance. Guaranteed to sort out the wheat from the shaft on your tow vehicle and it's set-up with the camper!

In trying to get out more, have made a few trips out west myself, even pulling the two different popups I've had (your not the only one to have "motored west"). The last trip I made was in 2001 pulling the present little Starcraft. Bummed around Colorado, southern Wyoming and northern New Mexico for about 5 weeks (my agenda is trout fishing), so I'm inclined to get off the beaten path ... on to a lot of secondary roads. Now, I don't ever recall encountering a steeper secondary road in that part of the Rockies - higher elevations and longer decents to be sure, but not any steeper than the N.C. gorges I've already mentioned.

But all this is beside the point. Secondary mountain roads I've been on, as already mentioned,  North Carolina, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming ... some will have passing lanes in certain areas. It will be a two lane highway and on some steep grades, where possible, they will have widened the road so there is a third passing lane for a distance, with signs saying "slower vehicles keep right" - and where these passing lanes are, the faster drivers can get around.

Got an answer on my e-mail from the North Carolina dept of transportation - there's no such law on the books for NC, but where there are lanes and signs that say the slower drivers are to keep right, then can indeed get ticketed for not moving over. And in their closing, saying the obvious, that it's only common courtesy to pull over in a safe place and let others go by, if possible.

One other point, about me not getting out enough ... back in 1955 when I returned to the U.S. from Korea and was assigned for awhile at Camp Pendleton, California, then got orders to report to Camp Lejeune. I "borrowed" (was given to me) a utility trailer and hitched it up to our, new to me, .. (o.k., it was my wife's), 1954 Ford club coupe, loaded that utility trailer with an old canvas wall tent, a Coleman gas stove and whatever else I could find in camping gear, and we made our way accross country, visiting national and state parks and seeing whatever sights there were to be seen (was a sort of honeymoon). And there were no interstates, mostly two lane highways for the most part. But what a grand time we had ... You remember 1955, don't you, Austin?  Now, don't tell me you were making doo-doo in your britches then...? (LOL)


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[AustinBoston]

I'll take my chances and stick with the posted speed limit. Sounds like we have the right to choose and you choose to break the law by speeding approach and I choose to break the law by impeding the flow of traffic while doing the speed limit.

I think you owe me an apology for that.  I never said or even implied that I speed.  I obey all traffic laws, and all I am asking is that you do the same.  You seem to be refusing.

I have to say that I have had a couple of speeding tickets in my life but I have yet to be stopped for doing the speed limit.

I have never had a speeding ticket and only one other ticket.  I've been driving for so long I don't want to calculate it.  

That one ticket came in the mail.  It was a mechanism for raising revenue, and just by showing up to fight it, it was thown out.  The hearing lasted ten seconds.  Eventually, the whole system ended with a class action suit.  That is the only ticket I have ever received.  Oh, and the "infraction" allegedly occured when I was at work and PJay was driving.  She was directed through a red light by a uniformed police cadet and written up for doing so by another cadet.  Neither had the athority to do what they did, but it was routine procedure.

I drive 46 miles to get to work every day and haven't had a problem.  You refer to people that do the speed limit as "slower drivers". I leave with plenty of time so I don't have to drive like a maniac.

I did not.  I referred to slower drivers...whether or not they are doing the speed limit.  BTW, don't you live in Maine?  I thought that made you a Maine-iac by definition.

Maybe we should test this out. You drive 20mph over the speed limit every where you go for the next month and I'll do the speed limit and we can collect the data and tabulate the results.

How about you drive like you drive and I will drive like I drive and we will tabulate the results.  Just don't expect to be ignored driving like that in the mountains of Colorado.

Austin

[AustinBoston]

If you want to experience mountain driving in North Carolina, you need to get off that prissy interstate and take on some of the secondary two lane roads, afterall, those would be the kind we were taking about, where you have to find a place to pass.

If there is a place to pass, it's not really a mountain road - not like the ones I've driven on in other states.

There are some river gorge roads that will fill the bill for what your looking for; a real sharp decent and they will indeed last for longer than 12 miles.

An 8% grade for 12 miles is nearly a mile change in altitude.  You have river gorges in North Carolina that are as dep as the Grand Canyon?

They will zigzag and cut back so sharp that you'll be able to study your camper's rear bumper!

Granted; eastern mountain roads will make western roads look as straight as an arrow.  But that is part of the problem.  It is often possible to drive these roads at much faster than the speed limit.  Everyone knows the speed limits are there for the idiots from flatter states with more vehicle than he can handle.  If he obeys the speed limit (and he should) he becomes a nuisance.

In trying to get out more, have made a few trips out west myself, even pulling the two different popups I've had (your not the only one to have "motored west"). The last trip I made was in 2001 pulling the present little Starcraft. Bummed around Colorado, southern Wyoming and northern New Mexico for about 5 weeks (my agenda is trout fishing), so I'm inclined to get off the beaten path ... on to a lot of secondary roads. Now, I don't ever recall encountering a steeper secondary road in that part of the Rockies - higher elevations and longer decents to be sure, but not any steeper than the N.C. gorges I've already mentioned.

Short term, perhaps, but in the long haul you can't have a 10,000 foot descent in North Carolina.

But all this is beside the point. Secondary mountain roads I've been on, as already mentioned,  North Carolina, Colorado, New Mexico, Wyoming ... some will have passing lanes in certain areas.

 It will be a two lane highway and on some steep grades, where possible, they will have widened the road so there is a third passing lane for a distance, with signs saying "slower vehicles keep right" - and where these passing lanes are, the faster drivers can get around.

I've been on plenty that have not. (But I agree that most do - eventually.)  Those that do not usually have a brake check area at the top of the pass.  Then you get to do it all in reverse.

Got an answer on my e-mail from the North Carolina dept of transportation - there's no such law on the books for NC, but where there are lanes and signs that say the slower drivers are to keep right, then can indeed get ticketed for not moving over. And in their closing, saying the obvious, that it's only common courtesy to pull over in a safe place and let others go by, if possible.

In some places, it's not just common courtesy, it's the law.

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Austin

[chasd60]

Sorry about that, you didn't say you speed.
I think this thread will shed more light on whether you should pull over or not:yikes: