4-Wheeler/ATV on top of My

zamboni · May 15, 2007, 10:58 PM

Hence why I emphasized he would have to consider the burden on (in addition to his frame) the axles & wheels (rims and tires).

Note, I did personally consider this and then abandon this avenue many years ago, but only after a lot of consideration.

Given that I had an Explorer (2nd car was a Miata, so irrelevant, and no 3rd vehicle wanted), and did NOT want a pickup as I needed the interior space of an SUV, I could not add the toy to the bed of my truck. Thus, I could only haul a toy via the roof or a 2nd trailer... and my Explorer was not rated for 10K hauling, so no 2nd trailer for me.

This was a before popup toy-haulers... which, I might add, I am not a fan of. They are NOT balanced properly. All of the toy weight is completely in front of the trailer wheels. This will add at least 50% of the toy weight to the hitch, making them VERY HITCH HEAVY.

A roof-mounted toy-hauling system would be somewhat ideal. Sure, more wind resistance, but a very compact "package" system.

It would be work to do it, but if one were determined, enhancing the frame, axles (and wheels), and brakes if needed, could be done. It depends on one's needs.

mach8274 · May 16, 2007, 07:50 PM

Quote from: zamboniHence why I emphasized he would have to consider the burden on (in addition to his frame) the axles & wheels (rims and tires).

Note, I did personally consider this and then abandon this avenue many years ago, but only after a lot of consideration.

Given that I had an Explorer (2nd car was a Miata, so irrelevant, and no 3rd vehicle wanted), and did NOT want a pickup as I needed the interior space of an SUV, I could not add the toy to the bed of my truck. Thus, I could only haul a toy via the roof or a 2nd trailer... and my Explorer was not rated for 10K hauling, so no 2nd trailer for me.

This was a before popup toy-haulers... which, I might add, I am not a fan of. They are NOT balanced properly. All of the toy weight is completely in front of the trailer wheels. This will add at least 50% of the toy weight to the hitch, making them VERY HITCH HEAVY.

A roof-mounted toy-hauling system would be somewhat ideal. Sure, more wind resistance, but a very compact "package" system.

It would be work to do it, but if one were determined, enhancing the frame, axles (and wheels), and brakes if needed, could be done. It depends on one's needs.

You stated that Toy Haulers are not balanced properly. I must go against that. I have done a lot of research on a lot of different trailers as far as weights go. I don't have a toy hauler-don't have a toy to haul, however, toy haulers are designed with the axle farther forward than a typical pup. They do this so that when the toy is loaded onto the front of the trailer, it counterbalances the weight of the pup portion. Toy haulers if you really think about it are very light in the hitch because of this. Your hitch weight should only be 10-15% of the total weight of the trailer. If you don't have anything in the cargo portion of the toy hauler, you will be unbalanced due to LACK of tongue weight.
Along with everybody here(well almost everybody) I definitely would not modify a pup in that manner. There are plenty of other options from which to choose.

Dave

Used 2B PopUPTimes · May 16, 2007, 09:05 PM

He needs a Jumping Jack. They setup quick and can carry ATV on top.
http://www.jumpingjacktrailers.com/

EvanDoss · May 16, 2007, 09:51 PM

It sounds like evanallison is just trying to take his ATV with him. I wondered if there were any other options that would allow this becides putting at 600lb ATV on top of his pop-up, which I personally don't think is a good idea. I am going to assume evanallison does not have a pickup otherwise he could put the ATV in the pickup and then tow his pop-up.

I wonder if it would be possible and/or safe to tow a small trailer behind his pop-up. I realize that this type of towing may not be legal in every state but I have seen it done in Missouri before, so the laws would have to be checked. You would have to add a reciever hitch to the back of your popup.

Last year I had a professional welder install a Class III hitch on the back of my pop-up to accomidate a 4 place bike rack. I instucted the welder that I only planned on using a bike rack, but to support the hitch for much more just in case. He only charged me like $30 labor and did a great job. (I'll try and post a picture of it later.)

I remembered seeing a unique toy hauler trailer in my last TrailerLife magazine and after reading this thread I wounder if it would be possible to use on the back of a pop-up. This toy hauler is designed to be towed on the back of a trailer and is even capiable of backing up with the trailer. I have no idea of how much this costs but check out the link below and let me know what you think.

SwivelWheel

AustinBoston · May 17, 2007, 08:03 AM

Quote from: EvanDossSwivelWheel

There seems to be no end to what people can think up...that thing certanly is, um, creative.

The problem with using it with a pop-up is that 50% of the cargo weight would be on the back of the pop-up...and come straight off the tongue weight. Not only would there be less than the minimum 10-15% tongue weight, but with a 600 lb. ATV it would put some pop-ups in a negative tongue weight situation, where the ball is holding the tongue down, not up!

Austin

wavery · May 17, 2007, 05:05 PM

Here's a guy that tried to do what you want to do. As you will see, it didn't turn out so good. Admittedly, his technique was a bit unique but I believe that results would be similar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/wkavery/PiggyBackFarari.jpg

AustinBoston · May 17, 2007, 10:24 PM

Quote from: waveryHere's a guy that tried to do what you want to do. As you will see, it didn't turn out so good. Admittedly, his technique was a bit unique but I believe that results would be similar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/wkavery/PiggyBackFarari.jpg

Naw, that's just his mother-in-law's pickup, and she insisted, "You WILL have room for it in the garage when I visit this weekend!"

Austin

tknick · May 18, 2007, 09:58 AM

A side note on double trailers...they pull great in straight lines. Turning is very interesting. Also most states would require some sort of endorsement on your driver's license or even a commercial driver's license with a double trailer endorsement.

just something else to think of.
travis

EvanDoss · May 18, 2007, 11:26 AM

Quote from: waveryHere's a guy that tried to do what you want to do. As you will see, it didn't turn out so good. Admittedly, his technique was a bit unique but I believe that results would be similar:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/wkavery/PiggyBackFarari.jpg

Hey where did you get that picture? I just can't figure out how that F150 got on that Ferrari without doing more damage to the back corner of that car. It almost looksl like the truck was placed on the car. Do you know the story behind the picture? Is it real?

Kelly · May 18, 2007, 01:03 PM

Quote from: EvanDossHey where did you get that picture? I just can't figure out how that F150 got on that Ferrari without doing more damage to the back corner of that car. It almost looksl like the truck was placed on the car. Do you know the story behind the picture? Is it real?

It's a real picture ... see the story here.

AustinBoston · May 18, 2007, 01:33 PM

Quote from: KellyIt's a real picture ... see the story here.

I liked the link at the bottom of the Snopes article...to the "top 10 female drivers:"

http://www.funtoosh.com/dj.php?details=A11~362

Austin

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