Gas Prices Effect Your Camping Plans?

[wavery]

I hear what you're saying, Wayne, but I'm not sure it's fair to lay all of the fault for the economy at the doorstep of the federal government. If someone is only making $50,000, he should know better than to be spending $200,000.
 
I think two rampant problems we have in this country are an overall sense of entitlement, whether one has actually worked for and earned something or not, and an inability to accept personal accountability for one's decisions and actions.

I agree 100% but it doesn't change the fact that American citizens were constantly being told that the economy was growing at a healthy rate and there were no foreseen troubles in the future.

Anyone that was willing to sit down and look at the value of their home realistically, should have known that it was extremely inflated. This came about by criminal actions from financial institutions that was let run rampant because it brought $ into the economy. This caused a building boom that supposedly saw, "No end in sight" and people borrowing way over their heads because they could. I lay that squarely at the feet of the Federal Gvm't. They let it happen because the economy desparately needed a boost to keep Bush from looking like the total and utter failure that he really is. We have consumer protection agencies that were crippled and not allowed to do their job because it came right from the top, not to. If they did their jobs the "Cash Cow" (home refis) would have been cut off at the knees. The Bush Administration was not about to see that happen under their watch.

[Old Goat]

Gas prices are effecting the economy in ways that are killing many industries. However, that isn't even our economies biggest worry. That is just a diversion from the real problem.

Real-estate prices went totally out of control in the 2000s. This encouraged many people to re-finance their homes and take out insane loans with the belief that the prices would continue to escalate at the same rate. Our government purposely let finance companies hand out $ on deals that were absolutely criminal, to falsely stoke the economy. This caused many problems and the biggest problems are yet to come.

Refinancing has increased the average American's spending power by over 25%. In many cases, a worker earning $50K a year suddenly had $200K worth of spending power in one year (400% increase). This pumped up the economy artificially. The government knew it but did nothing. Bush's war ethic was/is the most important thing on his mind. He and his administration knew exactly what was going on in the economy but the war was more important so they LIED. Every financial report that came out was doctored by his administration because Bush insisted that NO NEGATIVE news about the economy could be reported. If anyone had any negative reports (or comments), they were gone. They knew all of the figures were inflated by consumer debt but that was not reported or figured in to any reports.

For the last 8 years, our government has been telling the people that the economy is growing at a healthy rate. Most of that (falsely reported) growth was on the back of refinancing. Now that property values are falling, the average home owner has no borrowing power and in way toooooo many cases can't even pay the debt that he has.

Our entire economy has been surviving on borrowed real-estate $ for 8 years. Our government knew that and chose to ignore it. Reality has now set in and it's time to pay the Piper. It's also time to lay the problem on the back of a new administration that is doomed to failure.

That is why Obama is where he is. He will be the fall guy. Just like Colon Powell was the fall guy for the mis-information that was given to the UN just before we invaded Iraq. Do I see a pattern here? HMMMMMMMMMMMM.

$5 a gallon for gas......... big deal. If you have a job and are free of debt, you can pay it. If your home has been foreclosed on or you are up to your eyeballs in debt, you are in real trouble.

You have about 2 years to become debt free. If you aren't and we have a depression (which I feel we will) it will make the 1930's look like a birthday party.

Sorry.....I just had to get that off of my chest.... :sombraro:  Have a nice day.

Where is all the proof in what you say ?? I'm sure glad your not my financial advisor.....

[wavery]

Where is all the proof in what you say ?? I'm sure glad your not my financial advisor.....

Proof!!!!! Proof of what??

You don't know that real-estate prices were over inflated?

You don't know that people were refinancing their homes at unbelievable rates and spending that $ (putting it into the economy)??

You don't know that financial institutions were acting irresponsibly in their lending practices and are now being punished?

You don't know that homeowners borrowed over $3trillion dollars on home refis in the last 8 years?

You don't know that Bush constantly said, "The economy is growing at a healthy rate and I'm not a bit concerned about the economy........next question please. Let's talk about keeping America safe"?

You think that Bush didn't know about the amount of $ that was being pumped into the economy by consumer debt?

You don't think that giving out these phony rebate checks was all about keeping the economy afloat until he got out of office?

You don't know that the $ from the "Economic stimulus" checks are coming right out of you own pocket??

You don't know that Colon Powell was handed a bunch of lies to present to the UN and made a complete ass out of him and our entire country when all of the pictures that he presented as "Irreputable Proof" were found to be all phony??

You don't know that Bush intimidates the hell out of his entire staff to keep them from telling the truth??

You think that Obama (a 1st year Senator) is the Democratic Candidate by pure happenstance??

At some point, we all end up putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with the same answer. The problem is......we usually come to that agreement far too late, when it is painfully obvious that 2 and 2 does not equal 999 (add as many 9s as you like, they're meaningless anyway)..

[oreo57]

So Wayne...How do you really feel about the gas prices, will they intrude on your camping ?? :confused:

[wavery]

So Wayne...How do you really feel about the gas prices, will they intrude on your camping ?? :confused:

A little but the property value decline really hurts!!!!!! We could buy a lot of gas for the $hundreds of thousands we've lost in property value.... :eyecrazy:

We bought our house in Fallbrook exactly 2 years ago this month. Thankfully we don't owe anything on it. Our rental house in the valley has also declined and there are foreclosures everywhere.

[Old Goat]

A little but the property value decline really hurts!!!!!! We could buy a lot of gas for the $hundreds of thousands we've lost in property value.... :eyecrazy:

We bought our house in Fallbrook exactly 2 years ago this month. Thankfully we don't owe anything on it. Our rental house in the valley has also declined and there are foreclosures everywhere.

Sorry to hear that you lost hundreds of thousands on your house purchase...Buying real estate, like any other investment, has it's risks and is always a win or loose gamble. You gambled and lost....wise up, get a grip instead of a gripe and move on..........

We be gone camping,,,BYE

[TheViking]

HEY!  HILLARY & OBAMA!  
 
All I asked was if the gas prices were gonna effect your camping plans since the prices have gone up so much since March.  You two politicians turned it into a debate!  I don't see Katie Curic around to mediate.......lets keep on topic here people!  
 
 
 
 
 
Bwahhhhhaahhhhhah!

[A2SuperCrew]

It's June, gas is over $4, and we are still going to Yellowstone.  

Happy Trials!  

[wavery]

Sorry to hear that you lost hundreds of thousands on your house purchase...Buying real estate, like any other investment, has it's risks and is always a win or loose gamble. You gambled and lost....wise up, get a grip instead of a gripe and move on..........

We be gone camping,,,BYE

We haven't, "Lost" a dime. We paid cash for that house and have 5 more years to go on the other. We have no intention of selling either......ever. So the devaluation really doesn't effect us.

The point was/is, that a lot of people are in trouble over this whole housing market thing from one end (manufacturing) to the other (consumer).

The problem was caused by the gvm't lowering interest rates to encourage borrowing and spending (to prop up a failing economy), then not regulating the loan industry to avoid the catastrophe that this nation is now faced with. That caused unrealistic property prices and unprecedented home refinancing as property values sky-rocketed out of control due to unrealistic demand. Americans are in more debt than they can possibly pay back.

This country works on a free market system that works quite well when the gvm't doesn't mess with it. Having the gvm't messing with interest rates only prolongs and ultimately worsens the inevitable.

As Griffsmom correctly stated, people must be held accountable for their irresponsibility. However, in this case, the gvm't became the enabler by encouraging irresponsible borrowing to pump $ into the economy. There was no consideration for how people were going to pay that debt because the current administration will be gone and the next administration will be left with an impossible task. It went on at such an enormous scale that it will now not only effect the irresponsible, it will effect us all.

That, my friend, will effect every single American (that doesn't live in a cave). Trust me, $5 gas will be the least of our problems.

THE END!! :sombraro:

[TheViking]

We haven't, "Lost" a dime. We paid cash for that house and have 5 more years to go on the other. We have no intention of selling either......ever. So the devaluation really doesn't effect us.
 
The point was/is, that a lot of people are in trouble over this whole housing market thing from one end (manufacturing) to the other (consumer).
 
The problem was caused by the gvm't lowering interest rates to encourage borrowing and spending (to prop up a failing economy), then not regulating the loan industry to avoid the catastrophe that this nation is now faced with. That caused unrealistic property prices and unprecedented home refinancing as property values sky-rocketed out of control. Americans are in more debt than they can possibly pay back.
 
This country works on a free market system that works quite well when the gvm't doesn't mess with it. Having the gvm't messing with interest rates only prolongs and ultimately worsens the inevitable.
 
As Griffsmom correctly stated, people must be held accountable for their irresponsibility. However, in this case, the gvm't became the enabler by encouraging irresponsible borrowing. It went on at such an enormous scale that it will now not only effect the irresponsible, it will effect us all.
The problem was caused by the gvm't lowering interest rates to encourage borrowing and spending, then not regulating the loan industry to avoid the catastrophe that this nation is now faced with. That caused unrealistic property prices and unprecedented home refinancing as property values sky-rocketed out of control. Americans are in more debt than they can possibly pay back.
 
That, my friend, will effect every single American (that doesn't live in a cave). Trust me, $5 gas will be the least of our problems.
 
THE END!! :sombraro:
 
That, my friend, will effect every single American (that doesn't live in a cave). Trust me, $5 gas will be the least of our problems.
 
THE END!! :sombraro:

He always has to get the last word....even on himself..

[SheBantam]

BECAUSE of the gas prices I am going camping most of next week...I have an Emergency management 2 day training down state, it is not only the gas but the tolls, and if I drive to miss the tolls, I hit a myriad of traffic lights and traffic.

So I am opting to pull the Cabin A (the truck barely knows it is back there) to a SP not too far from Dover (Killens POnd) and dive back and forth to Dover.  The training is providing lunch, so all I ahve to worry about is supper and breakfast.

Then there is the minirally at Tall Pines Harbor the following Weekend.
Since Killens is a good jump start to TPH, I am taking Friday off and going down to VA (on the Delmarva) and Raymond is meeting me with the COrolla and we will spend the weekend down there.

They will store the camper hooked up to electric and water, on the rally site for $2.00 per day (less than driving it back from Killens considering gas and Tolls), Then on Next Thursday, I will attend another out of town meeting, and take Raymond with me, he will shop for grocerys (from a list) and there is a Kmart also in the same shopping Center behind where I am meeting. We will grab a quick bite to eat and hit the road back to TPH.

This has taken a lot of thought so as to find the most economical way to get down there camp and enjoy ourselves.  The gas prices are high and getting higher everyday.

I am learning to combine work with Pleasure, there is another 2 day training in August (Friday and Saturday) that I will take the camper down instead of commuting back and forth both days.  There is the Rally in the Poconos and the fall rally at Locust lake, And the Columbus day/my birthday or close to it camping weekend that is all we are doing unless something comes up that is close close close...

Raymond is retired and I work for the State. we are not getting a raise this year to help offset the higher cost of EVERYTHING, because our state is in trouble financially. SO goes the circle of (the economic)Life.