Global Warming

[JimS]

Rasmussen on Obama as of 4/1/09:
Total approve: 57%
Total disapprove: 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

[CajunCamper]

Rasmussen on Obama as of 4/1/09:
Total approve: 57%
Total disapprove: 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

That's lower than Jimmy Carter at this stage of the game.

[CajunCamper]

Do you have a source for Al gore making money on cap and trade?

Check out the following piece at the link below.

http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1185475433.pdf

It sure sounds like Al Gore has been positioning himself for years. In my opinion, this man is an opportunist and hypocrite at best. I don't trust him and I sure don't want him driving global policy on this issue.

CajunCAmper

[Shredder]

Check out the following piece at the link below.

http://www.capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/v1185475433.pdf

It sure sounds like Al Gore has been positioning himself for years. In my opinion, this man is an opportunist and hypocrite at best. I don't trust him and I sure don't want him driving global policy on this issue.

CajunCAmper

Your source is CRC Capital Research Center (right wing political think tank) Looks like they have been positioning themselfs for years as well. From wiki :

The Capital Research Center came under fire in the 1990s for publishing studies highly critical of charities which engaged in anti-tobacco lobbying efforts.[9]. These charities include the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the American Cancer Society. It was later revealed that tobacco giant Philip Morris provided $50,000 in funding to the Capital Research Center

Al Gore is no longer in politics, and said he no longer would run for anything. I don't think I have anything to fear from him. I liked his movie, it was an eye opener. If he makes some bucks from going green like T Bone Pickens also wants to do, more power to him.....Shredder

[Shredder]

Rasmussen on Obama as of 4/1/09:
Total approve: 57%
Total disapprove: 41%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

This just in 19 hours ago:

Obama's 66 per cent approval rating represents a slap in the face to the Republicans, who have been trying for weeks to pin the blame for the ongoing economic meltdown on the new president, calling it the "Obama Recession." They also assailed him last week for his media blitz, saying he should be in the Oval Office hard at work, not yukking it up with Leno.

The poll suggests Americans aren't buying any notion of an "Obama Recession" - 80 per cent of them blame Wall Street, not Obama, for the country's economic woes. Sixty per cent of those surveyed also said they favoured Obama's approach to the economic crisis.

There were some chinks in the armour - only 64 per cent said they were confident that Obama's policies would actually improve the economy, down from 72 per cent just before he took office in January.

And just 42 per cent said the country was heading in the right direction, although that's the highest percentage of Americans to say so in five years.

Most modern-day commanders-in-chief have been in the mid-50s at this point in their presidencies, with the exception of Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy, who were all well into the 70s. But all three of those presidents were beginning their administrations during periods of economic prosperity.

As Obama arrived in Europe on Tuesday for his first overseas trip as president, another poll found that 80 per cent of Americans believed he'd represent his country well to the world.
Shredder

[CajunCamper]

Your source is CRC Capital Research Center (right wing political think tank) Looks like they have been positioning themselfs for years as well. From wiki :

The Capital Research Center came under fire in the 1990s for publishing studies highly critical of charities which engaged in anti-tobacco lobbying efforts.[9]. These charities include the American Heart Association, the American Lung Association and the American Cancer Society. It was later revealed that tobacco giant Philip Morris provided $50,000 in funding to the Capital Research Center

Al Gore is no longer in politics, and said he no longer would run for anything. I don't think I have anything to fear from him. I liked his movie, it was an eye opener. If he makes some bucks from going green like T Bone Pickens also wants to do, more power to him.....Shredder

Shredder, you seem too smart and too on the ball to be this naive. They got you my friend, they got you.

You keep quoting wikipedia as the gospel and anytime someone else post something you dismiss it. You do realize that anyone can contribute content to wikipedia and anyone can edit whats there. If you don't believe me, then go to wikipedias website and click on their about wikipedia page. They will tell you themselves that the info is not always accurate.

It seems to me you keep wanting to divide people into groups. It's not all black and white like you seem to believe. You talk about Democrates vs Republicans and you bring up how one Republican talked bad about Obama and on and on.

If you want to believe the sky is falling and it's all because of what we humans have done, then go for it. As far as I can tell from everything you've said, unless I'm wrong, you believe it's a man made issue 100%.

You don't seem to want to discuss the possibility that there are other contributing factors such as the possibility of an increase in temperature in our oceans being caused by an increase in temparture of our earth's core. In other words the temps are rising from the inside out. Yellowstone is having increased activity right now bringing the ground temperature and the water temperatures up. We just had a pretty good eruption caught on film the other day in the ocean where an island is actually being created. I'm sure that had to have an impact on the temps of the water and the air not to mention all the stuff it spewed acouple of miles into the sky. There is so much more going on under our oceans that we can even begin to understand or even explore.

I think most of us that have posted here that aren't convinced that this is all man made would admit that we do have an effect on the environment and that we could all do a better job taking care of the planet. But I think most of us feel like there's too much gray area in this issue.

I know T. Boone Pickens stands to make a bundle from wind generated energy and probably from natural gas but the difference between him and Al Gore is that Al Gore was Vice President of the United States and in the minds of many, his opinion carries more weight. He also has access to world leaders and the inner circles that Pickens doesn't. Gore started laying the ground work for all of this while in office.

The answers will not be found in the black and white, but in the gray areas, and Al Gore does not live in the grey area.

CajunCamper

[LimeJeeeep]

i don,t have the time to type .have lots to say and slow fingers .Thanks to be a refrig and a/c mechanic like my dad.......yes we do like camping and i like the grateful dead and nature ....but Obama(he who walks on water) and his koolaid drinkers and communist followers are going to be a bigger detriment to the constitution than carter or clinton ever hope to be.....BTW why won,t they release their thesis from college..You know why its riddled with marxist veiws.... he will get some credit for a recovery of some sorts....I predict he is a 1 term president....I,m glad he is in office now hes bringing out all the other socialist and RINOs of the other side of the isle..........2010 buddy here we come .....

[Shredder]

You keep quoting wikipedia as the gospel and anytime someone else post something you dismiss it. You do realize that anyone can contribute content to wikipedia and anyone can edit whats there. If you don't believe me, then go to wikipedias website and click on their about wikipedia page. They will tell you themselves that the info is not always accurate.

It seems to me you keep wanting to divide people into groups. It's not all black and white like you seem to believe. You talk about Democrates vs Republicans and you bring up how one Republican talked bad about Obama and on and on.

If you want to believe the sky is falling and it's all because of what we humans have done, then go for it. As far as I can tell from everything you've said, unless I'm wrong, you believe it's a man made issue 100%.

You don't seem to want to discuss the possibility that there are other contributing factors such as the possibility of an increase in temperature in our oceans being caused by an increase in temparture of our earth's core. In other words the temps are rising from the inside out. Yellowstone is having increased activity right now bringing the ground temperature and the water temperatures up. We just had a pretty good eruption caught on film the other day in the ocean where an island is actually being created. I'm sure that had to have an impact on the temps of the water and the air not to mention all the stuff it spewed acouple of miles into the sky. There is so much more going on under our oceans that we can even begin to understand or even explore.

I think most of us that have posted here that aren't convinced that this is all man made would admit that we do have an effect on the environment and that we could all do a better job taking care of the planet. But I think most of us feel like there's too much gray area in this issue.

I know T. Boone Pickens stands to make a bundle from wind generated energy and probably from natural gas but the difference between him and Al Gore is that Al Gore was Vice President of the United States and in the minds of many, his opinion carries more weight. He also has access to world leaders and the inner circles that Pickens doesn't. Gore started laying the ground work for all of this while in office.

The answers will not be found in the black and white, but in the gray areas, and Al Gore does not live in the grey area.

CajunCamper

Cajun my friend, How I find stuff on the net is mostly by googling a key phrase then exploring from there. If google brings up a right wing web site or a left wing web site I dismiss it. I do go to wiki a lot because they have zero political agenda, and anyone can contribute, if it's inaccurate info it is soon taken down.

As to what I think about climate change perhaps you should re read my post or maybe I was not clear enough.  :confused: I have not heard anyone here say this is 100% man made. Let me clarify it for you. I agree with the US government :U  and their link I sited (EPA) that says along with natural cycles and things out of our control man has contributed to climate change. My conclusion from that is we can change our behavior but have little effect on natural cycles, and like I mentioned in another post if I'm wrong were out some money and have a little cleaner environment, if I'm right, things get bad for our grandkids. I don't go to right wing think tanks for scientific info, or for accurate info on Al Gore, just like  I would not go to the dentist for a sore arm.

I also am not scared by boogie men, whether it's unions in this other thread that got political, Al Gore, Obama ( frankly I think a lot of the resentment of him is based on prejudice), some vast left wing or right wing conspiracies either. But when, and let me clear here, overwhelming scientific research by climatologists (Nasa, EPA, others) say man  does contribute to climate change I tend to believe. The arguments aginst posted here by you and others seem to be more political, like this 32000 scientists, thread, and not based on sound science. There are some reasonable scientists that don't feel this way (no one posted this though) but they are definitely in the minority. Even that liberal W.   concluded that in his last year in office, of course he did nothing about it though.

I'll let you have the last word here, we stopped talking science, we all are edgy about the economy and two wars and everything else that has hit us lately and this political stuff is tiring, so I'll let this dog die :eyecrazy:

[LimeJeeeep]

( frankly I think a lot of the resentment of him is based on prejudice),

Are you calling me and others racist.....Listen buddy I hate everyone equally.....I know lots of black folks that voted for Obama(he who walks on water)because he is black despite his positions now thats racist.

[coach]

of course he did nothing about it though.

Objection your honor, facts not in evidence. (can we stick to facts)
I do believe he turned his lights off for an hour the other day! That's not enough?

[wavery]

( frankly I think a lot of the resentment of him is based on prejudice),

Are you calling me and others racist .....Listen buddy I hate everyone equally.....I know lots of black folks that voted for Obama(he who walks on water)because he is black despite his positions now thats racist.

I missed that......................that is one ugly cop-out. Obama himself doesn't even use that. That's the one thing that I respect about the guy the most.....Other than that, the guy is just plain inexperienced and doesn't have a clue what he's doing...........other than that, I like the guy, on a personal level. He's just way in over his head......I don't care what color he is.

[CajunCamper]

Shredder,

Since you have allowed me to have the last word, I would like to end in agreement rather than disagreement. We both care about the condition of our planet. We both want our waters to be clean, our air to be fresh and our soil to be free of contaminates. We want a better world for our kids and our grand kids and for their grand kids. We both enjoy camping and the many wonderful things camping brings to our lives and the lives of our family. One of the wonderful things camping offers is an opportunity to meet, be with and enjoy talking to the fine folks we meet along the way such as the folks on this site.

And lastly we are both opinionated and passionate about what we believe in and that is good as well.

Shredder, I was never upset with you and hope that I didn't come accross in a way that felt personal to you. I do like a good friendly arguement though and I have a feeling that you do too.

Happy Camping

CajunCamper