Firearms in National Parks

[wavery]

My request to consider "Removing" this thread was truly uncalled for.

The original post did not offend anyone and neither has any of the subsequent posts. As was mentioned, It has been civil and more informative than most will ever realize (I won't go into that :p).

There are 2 issues here. 1st, it has been against the rules in the past to bring up any "GUN" topic. I was once scolded (in a PM) for posting the picture of a squirt gun. I didn't understand it at the time (a few years ago) and thought that is was an over-reaction. Then as the thread went on, it drew people into the forum that have never even posted here before. It ended up being quite ugly and it did get removed. I never made another post on that thread after the original one. The 2nd issue is the hatred that is often engendered by this topic when it does get controversial. There are very strong and emotionally charged reasons why people inject themselves into these discussions and there seems to be a lack of balance on both spectrums. It has been my (and many others) experience that there is no such thing as a "Balanced" discussion of this issue in these types of forums. That's why the issue is "Banned" from a number of forums. It's not the issue itself that is the problem, it tends to be the people that are drawn to the issue.

I guess that I wasn't really looking for the thread be removed as I was for it to be "closed" or at the very least, closely watched so that it didn't need to be removed at some point. My concern wasn't so much about regular members here as it was about people that seem to scour these forums looking for this particular topic so that they can post their highly inflammatory views on the topic (on either one side or the other).

I also have very strong feelings on this topic but I know that a "Camping" forum isn't an appropriate venue for expressing those views any more than it is for expressing views on other topics that I might mention (and almost did :p).

[griffsmom]

And then we had the quoting of the rule book. Wavery and Griffsmom, nothing personal, but was that really necessary? It's seems that your comments are what changed the tone of the thread.

It was "necessary" only to the extent that I am one of the moderators for these forums and help the adminstrators keep an eye on things since they can't be everywhere. I posted the rules as a gentle reminder of the rules we're supposed to follow in posting on this forum but didn't close or remove the thread.

[CajunCamper]

Wavery, thanks for your response, I want you to know I respect your opinions and thoughts. I can appreciate the fact that some topics tend to create more of a stir than others and I fully understand you wanting those in charge of monitoring the site to keep an eye on this thread.

I have learned over the years that in order to have meaningful open and honest discussions there are certain risk that are involved while at the same time I believe they are risk that are worth taking in order to have those open and honest discussions.

Once a discussion becomes heated and or inappropriate then by all means it would be time to freeze or delete the thread all together.

In my opinion it was very apparent that the thread was never intended to create or invite a battle of words on a subject that has been defined as off limits nor did the conversation ever reach a point that should have caused alarm.

I just don't want us to be fearful of where a discussion may go before it ever goes there. There are tools on the site to remove a thread if it goes bad without calling people on the carpet for having used the word "Gun" or some of the other words that society seems to be so hypersensitive to these days. I even saw someone reply to this thread and they referred to the word gun basically as the g word. Come on let's use a little common sense and not be fearful of convesration for heavens sake. Let's also have a little more confidence in our good friends here to handle themselves in an orderly manner.

That's all I'm saying. This thread would have faded into the sunset had it been left alone.

Thanks for allowing me to voice my opinion.

[tlhdoc]

It was "necessary" only to the extent that I am one of the moderators for these forums and help the adminstrators keep an eye on things since they can't be everywhere. I posted the rules as a gentle reminder of the rules we're supposed to follow in posting on this forum but didn't close or remove the thread.

I am also a moderator, and I have been checking this thread daily.  I also have not chose to close or remove the thread (which is obvious that it is still open).  The thread is informing people of new laws in some National Parks.  Truthful information, and not hype, is good to know.

[scificamper]

Actually, I was surprised that it remained on this board.  It was also submitted to two other boards and was locked immediately on one, and never made the light of day on the other (assuming I submitted it correctly-at my age not always sure).
Scificamper
2007 Jayco 1007
2003 Ford Explorer

[oreo57]

Actually, I was surprised that it remained on this board. It was also submitted to two other boards and was locked immediately on one, and never made the light of day on the other (assuming I submitted it correctly-at my age not always sure).

The other board it showed up on then was deleted is also DNO's and they are much stricter.

[wavery]

Actually, I was surprised that it remained on this board.  It was also submitted to two other boards and was locked immediately on one, and never made the light of day on the other (assuming I submitted it correctly-at my age not always sure).
Scificamper
2007 Jayco 1007
2003 Ford Explorer

For what it's worth, I found the posted link interesting and relevant to any camping forum. However, I do think that it would have been prudent to lock it and leave it. As it stands, some of our concerns may have lead to some interesting (and productive) exchanges and also may have kept the emotions in check.

[Gracy]

For what it's worth, I found the posted link interesting and relevant to any camping forum. However, I do think that it would have been prudent to lock it and leave it. As it stands, some of our concerns may have lead to some interesting (and productive) exchanges and also may have kept the emotions in check.

Just admit it... you're a pot stirrer! :eyecrazy:


:-() hahahah :p

[Frankp]

I believe the intent of the OP was to provide information as to the National Park rule change and nothing more. Too many times a thread is locked or deleted all for the mention of a word without the contents ever being read.

I appreciate this thread and am glad that it has been let run.