..."new" cg...

[Poconohound]

...quick note; the Delaware Water Gap Nat'l Rec. area cg just re-opened after new "leasee" took over. Place had been closed 4 several yrs, after previous owners retired.  A little cold 4 a pu right now; but supposedly has 130 (133) sites, canoeing...don't know about prices yet... Hope 2 ck it out when the weather warms up...(and it stops raining!lol)...

[tlhdoc]

Thanks for the info.  Any links to the information?

[tlhdoc]

I found the website for the campground and they don't sound too trailer friendly.:confused:   I was thinking this would be a nice campground to go to and I liked a lot of what I read about it, until I got to the section on RVs and Trailers.

http://www.dingmanscampground.com/Policies.aspx
 
Here are some special rules for RVs from their website
 
"10) Recreational Vehicles / Trailers:

[Poconohound]

...nice job on the link, Tracey; again they literally just opened yesterday.  I'm sure they'll need 2  learn 2 distinguish between rules and Rules-if u know what i mean...heck, they may be literally underwater right now!   Won't (can't) recommend the place having never seen it-merely wanted 2 point out the place has re-opened after like 5 yrs...seemed a little silly 1 of the busiest Nat.l Parks in the country didn't have an operating cg...

[tlhdoc]

I really like the sound of the campground, and that they had canoing right from the campground with transportation back to the campground.  Then I read the RV rules and that has me wondering.  I sent them an email, so I hope they are more reasonable that that section reads.  I also asked them if some sites are tent only or if all the sites can have a trailer.  

[MTNDAVE]

Well, This looked like a great new camping target for some summer fun.  I'll have to keep my eye on it.

  Sorry to say that looking at the campground map I suspect that it is under SEVERAL feet of raging flood waters tonight.
 
Let's hope clean-up goes well and they don't loose their desire.

[hoppy]

thldoc,

 The rules don't seem too harsh for RV owners, most are standard from what I've seen in the past. (EX: 14 day max. stay, one RV unit per site, no dumping of wastewater at site, etc.)

  The ones that caught my eye were no storage of equipment under the vehicle, and the number one.... can't use lighter fluid to start your charcoal in the fire ring. (They mention fires pretty much in general) This will be a tough one to enforce in my opinion.

  But it really looks like a nice place. I would like going down the Delaware and having someone pick us up down river. Rates seem a bit steep for only 4-people, but what the heck.

[tlhdoc]

thldoc,
 
The rules don't seem too harsh for RV owners, most are standard from what I've seen in the past. .

These are the rules I am worried about.
 
No appliances are permitted to be stored outside of the RV.-You can't leave your stove outside
expansion or additions to trailers are permitted.-No AAR or screen room attached to the PU
No storage compartments shall be placed on the campsites.-You can't keep your totes outside
RV and trailer stays are limited to two weeks (14 consecutive days)-tent camper can stay longer
 
I have never seen a campground that allowed tenter's to camp longer than trailers, where you couldn't put up your screen room or AAR, that you couldn't set storage containers on the ground, and where you can't leaver your outside stove hooked to the trailer (except for bear areas).:eyecrazy:

[MTNDAVE]

These "Rules" seem for the most part as standard rules that pertain to seasonal campers.  Not so much so for short term campers.  
 
* No appliances are permitted to be stored outside of the RV.- I think they mean large appliances such as full size refrigerators.
 
* Expansion or additions to trailers are permitted.-Here I thik they are implying porches and extra structure rooms.
 
* No storage compartments shall be placed on the campsites.-Like a shed or storage compartment.
 
* RV and trailer stays are limited to two weeks (14 consecutive days)- Isn't there a limit in State Parks and other campgrounds on length of stay (other than seasonal)
 
I have a friend that opened a very small (14 sites) seasonal campground with a relaxed attitude and limited, hand shake rules, intended for relaxed fisherman.  
 
Within the first month he had two camp sites rented to what he thought were A-OK folks.  Turned into a nightmare case of the Beverly Hillbillies.  Overnight a couch and lazyboy recliner appeared outside complete with shag carpeting, a full size refrigerator out back and a porta potty in a scrap wood structure (seems the plumbing in the camper didn't work and never did). Their "cousins" moved in next door in tents with TV's and boom boxes and an assortment of not so road worthy vehicles.  O Yea, and 4 dogs too.
 
So much for the relaxed rules.  It took him almost 2 months to get rid of them as there were no rules or contracts to stand on and he had to refund the the balance of their fee.  He found out later these people went from campground to campground doing the same thing and were kicked out and banned from every one of them.
 
That was the beginning and end of his offical campground career.  Now it's just friends and family.

[hoppy]

MTNDAVE,

 This is how I interperted the rules when I went to the website.

 I felt it was to keep "Squatters" from setting up residency in their campground.

[DiW]

Tracy,
I interpreted it much as MtnDave did. I think the intent is to prevent the "seasonal camper" look - where trailers begin to look like permanent structures. Hopefully the cg will clarify this when they get your email. For instance, I doubt they will prevent you keeping a couple totes around. We see them all the time on tent sites. Do they say that tent campers can't have outside stoves or totes? The other thing. Do they consider popups as "trailers"  (thinking maybe of TT or 5th wheels) or do they consider popups as "pop up tent trailers"?
Di

[mike4947]

JMHO, but I'll bet they had most of the rules in place to try and control seasonal renters and when they couldn't they added the 14 day maximum stay ruling.
That stops the seasonal renters from squatting and the management no longer has to police the sites and agrue with campers that bring in the forbiden items that can easily turn a nice campground into a slum.

[MTNDAVE]

I tried calling the campground today but just got a recording, several times.

Knowing that the river was very high it is possible they got their feet wet and are cleaning up.

I am interested in this CG and I'll give them a few days and call again.

[tlhdoc]

JMHO, but I'll bet they had most of the rules in place to try and control seasonal renters and when they couldn't they added the 14 day maximum stay ruling.
That stops the seasonal renters from squatting and the management no longer has to police the sites and agrue with campers that bring in the forbiden items that can easily turn a nice campground into a slum.

There are no seasonal campers.  The campground is in a National Recreation area and they never allowed seasonal campers, also the campground was closed for 4 or 5 years.  No one has been camping there.
 
OK the wife emailed me back and said that everything I asked about is OK.  That her DH added the RV stuff to keep things under control.  I asked about flooding and the husband emailed me back and said they did get flooded, but that they are still open.  He said it was the worst flooding since 1955.  Here is exactly what he said "Our waterfront sites sat
just about 6 inches about the main current of the river.  They were islands.
Some were impacted, but the sites are all usable.  They will be back in action
in the next week or so.  Our waterfront area did get some heavey erosion of
soil, but we will fix that soon."  It isn't as bad as I thought, but I still wish they would change the rules and make them the same for tenters and trailers.