RE: 500 members? I doubt it....

[MtnCamper]

 jdr

 

ORIGINAL:  jdr
 
 

I don t think it would be possible (integrate), you are dealing with 2 different and non-compatible software companies. It s as good as it gets now.
 

 Don t confuse easy with possible.  Anything is possible - nothing is easy.
 
 Look at it from a business standpoint.  
 
 1.  How many new members would it take to pay for the integration?
 2.  With the integration in place, how many extra members would sign up?
 3.  How does #1 compare to #2?
 
 It may be a dumb idea, but it is a positive suggestion that may help increase our 10% sign up rate.
 

Joe, another hangup may be, that the Snitz forum is a free format, this isn t. If you intergrated from that board to this one, Maybe a problem. I don t know.

[moderator1]

 MtnCamper
OK, that s the end of the sniping back and forth at each other.
 
 Bearbait has raised legitimate issues, which all of here at PUT should take seriously ( I know Dave, Steve & I do).  It is the goal of Pop Up Times to promote pop up camping ? pure & simple.  While we all enjoy the light personal off topic posts, it can very easily begin to appear to outsiders that we are nothing more than a closed clique.
 
 Elisa,
 
 Even I could read the sarcasm in your replies in both this thread, and others, which you replied to.  Let?s go back to our childhood, if you don?t have something nice to say don?t say anything.
 

[marin]

 MtnCamper
I agree with Lee on everything he has said, and I will proudly stand beside him. Perhaps everyone else who feels the same, should chime in, and maybe, just maybe, we can make a change!

[marin]

 MtnCamper
Sorry, I don t agree. I was e-mailed not to long ago by the moderator s questioning why I feel the way I do about PUT, and I was very honest and upfront. Nothing ever stays the same, change isn t bad, or wrong. There are many, many, many members with huge attitudes, and it is off putting to others! Sorry, but it s true. You honestly don t think new membes are put off by comments of " the old board, and PUT just got so big, we re all family, the references to trolls, the so called self appointed moderator s and defenders" ? I do, I think it makes a very unfriendly board, no matter how many times, ya all say how friendly and open you are. I paid my membership and that of another s because I want this board to be a success, but I think (my opinion) issues need to be resolved. It s not high school, but it sure feels like it 60% of the time. I m sorry but I personally am more comfortable elsewhere, and that s pretty sad as I ve been a member for quite some time. Sorry....

[garym053]

 bearbait
Personally I think this isa great place for information and I appreciate the lack of " flames" . As a matter of fact as soon as I see a flame in a message, I stop reading and move on.
 I have rec d valuable information on every question I ve raised and have tried to honestly answer any questions that I could.
 I have no need to visit the other sites, free or not, as this one fulfills my needs, so why look further.

[jdr]

 MtnCamper
You guys are not going to believe this.
 
 I just went to the ASPPlayground site.  Right on the front page under " Software Features"  is " Snitz Conversion Script"
 
 It may cost nothing at all..
 
 http://forum.aspplayground.net/tm.asp?m=374249&appid=0&p=&mpage=1&key=&language=&tmode=&smode=&s=#374249
 
 

BACKGROUND
 ----------
 convertSnitz.exe will convert Snitz topics/replies to ASPPlayground format and
 update member profiles converted from Snitz to ASPPlayground pgd_members table
 using Chris Kaminski s (HomeNetHelp.com) .SQL script so that they work with
 the client-side message parsing used by ASPPlayground. I took Chris  ASP-based
 message conversion script and modified it to work within an EXE file so that
 timeouts were not an issue when converting larger Snitz Forum s to ASPPlayground.
 I converted over 48,000 posts and updated over 18,000 members profiles using this
 tool, so it does work.
 

[topcat7736]

 MtnCamper
Well, I like the board the way it is now. I can read most of the posts on a daily basis & keep up with what s going on around the country. The 7 pages of general topics a day, on the last board, were ridiculous. One day I counted 6 different people having started the same topic on the first page. In fact, the archives are filled with the same stuff over & over. It got to the point that people were saying it was ok to continuously ask the same questions. Maybe they have no lives and liked giving the same answers over & over, but I for one just gave up reading & responding to them.
 
 The archives are very easy to access. Go to the top of any page & just click on " Old Forums"  and do your search. There s nothing magical about accessing them and no special links are necessary. I refer to them all the time and am glad they re there. I see no reason to " include"  them directly into the current forums when they re so easy to access.
 
 I also am not concerned with the " current number of members" . I signed up at another board & made two posts (back in December). If I knew how to delete myself from it I would. But, in the meantime, they have 1 more member on their rolls who doesn t care what happens to them. Guess I m the Toolman Tim of his board. He posted ONE post on this board in 10 days & it was to tell us he was leaving & where he d be going. A very thoughtful and helpful thread to any newbies needing assistance with their new popups! Glad he thought enough of PUT s letting him in free for 10 days to participate in the forums and give us some of his sound advice.
 
 When we went from ultraboard to coolboard, I told Peggy that I had read every thread made on both forums. She shook her head & said I was nuts. Well, I was nuts until around March of 2001 when there was a massive influx of people who began asking redundant questions every day causing the number of daily pages to grow beyond ones capability of reading in a couple of hours a night. Is that what people want to again happen? Does that fit some profile of a " successful"  message board? And, it was one member who began the Coleman bashing & had his buddies come over & do the same. Great reading, but personally I wasn t impressed. If there s a popup problem, then this is a great place to let it be known. But, I don t need hateful & threatening posts shoved in my face every day to get the point. And don t think for one minute that the other manufacturers don t have problems with their products too.
 
 Very few have posted questions to which there isn t a response. But hey, if you don t know the right answer, why post a bunch of jibberish? Look in the archives or at those other boards and the dribble & hijacked threads will make you laugh. It wasn t all wine & roses on the last board & never will be here. This is a message board which gets its topics and responses from real people. Diversified ideas and opinions are great to read and ponder. I m glad there are many who have made lasting friendships here and hope there will be many more.
 
 And, there s no reason for members to make snyde remarks to or about one another. Perhaps it s time for everyone to apologize to everyone else, have a group hug & get on with living. So, as it s past my bedtime, " I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE, BEG YOUR FORGIVENESS AND HERE S A BIG HUG" ! [][&:]

[bikolee]

 bearbait

I believe it s time for everyone to take a chill pill

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[birol]

 MtnCamper
I had replied to this thread, in the form of a reply to Bikolee. I saw it for a second and it disappeared.
 
 Anybody saw it ? Did it get deleted ?
 
 I would like to know why it was thought fit to be deleted please ......
 
 What millertyme said, I also apologize if it were nasty, but I don t think it was.

[Miller Tyme]

 MtnCamper
One of my posts was booted too. Don t know why, I wasn t being nasty.
 If I was, I apologize. My bad.[]

[Jeffrey]

 MtnCamper
There is a bunch of them missing.[:@]
 
 
 I think it is because someone deleted their own post again.
 
 On this new software if you reply to someone s post and then someone else reply s to yours and so on and so on. If the first person decides to delete their own post then the whole chain gets deleted.[: (]
 
 It happened on the Nantucket thread, I think it happened again here?
 
 Either that or they were just deleted? There seem to be some new rules about sarcasm? so maybe they felt we broke that new rule?

[moderator1]

 Jeffrey

ORIGINAL:  Jeffrey
 Either that or they were just deleted? There seem to be some new rules about sarcasm? so maybe they felt we broke that new rule?
 

 
 Nope & Nope
 
 No we did not delete them and no, there are no new rules

[whippetwrun]

 MtnCamper

What bothers me is that as members contribute elsewhere on the net, it has taken the quality away from this board, and that s sad to see.
 

 This has me concerned too - I checked out another board.  What I saw though was that new people were able to more easily access the info which comes from being a free site.  So there are more postings, more questions even if they are rehashes of past ones.  There are always people who are new to camping and wanting info.  Unfortunately with PUT being a pay site, a lot of those newcomers are eliminated because it is new to them and they aren t certain they want to spend the money.  I personally am not the kind of person that will try something for ten days.  Either I skip it from the start or sign on from the start.
 
 I m not sure if I ever would have really gotten into PUT as soon as I did, had PUT been a pay site from the start.  And, yes, I gladly paid to stay on because of having had the opportunity to learn more about PUT and the people here.  But I can see where membership will be a tougher issue.  I also think opening the Arvee Club Membership area would be a good idea to let folks see more of what goes on in this site.
 
 As for the posts now being made - they don t seem to have the content they did before.  But I know for me, not being able to do any mods in the winter and not actually camping, now really limits what I have to say or ask.  I have no doubt once I am back on the road, towing to my heart s content, I  ll have plenty to ask!
 
 And I would think a reason why there aren t too many Mr. Fix It posts would be that most of the people on this site are the ones who often had the advice to those more like me who are still new.   It would be interesting to see how long most folks here now have been camping and how long in a popup.
 
 I m not trying to make excuses for the quietness of the board.  I d like to see it perk up a bit too.
 
 I have been thinking a lot about what Lee wrote throughout these posts and have to say I agree with it.  But, other than give it time and find a way to promote the site to more first time poppuppers, I don t think there are a whole lot of answers.  Without first timers to ask questions, it s rare you ll see many asked, other than the " what do you keep your clothes in?"  or the occasional mod question asked.  There is a lot of knowledge on this board, but not too many ways for it to be exercised just now.  The quality is still here too. It s just quiet now.
 
 Of course, if ya want, I can always post about camping fantasies involving Spam! []
 
 
 Just my 2 cents.
 

[moderator1]

 whippetwrun

 

ORIGINAL:  whippetwrun
 
 This has me concerned too - I checked out another board.  What I saw though was that new people were able to more easily access the info which comes from being a free site.  So there are more postings, more questions even if they are rehashes of past ones.  There are always people who are new to camping and wanting info.  Unfortunately with PUT being a pay site, a lot of those newcomers are eliminated because it is new to them and they aren t certain they want to spend the money.  I personally am not the kind of person that will try something for ten days.  Either I skip it from the start or sign on from the start.

 This is why we have the free trial period, but is there more we can do?  
 
 These are the things we are looking for.
 

[bearbait]

 Jeffrey
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