Uh oh .....Need ideas How to proceed ?

[wynot]

Birol posted:
"You guys sure have weird states hehehe."
 
Want to move to NC? It's just like elisa said, you could come through here pulling a trailer with no plates (aka "tags" hehehe) and no one would bother you. Sometimes you see something like "Plates applied for" on a cardboard piece but all that would be necessary when an individual sells a trailer is to give the new owner a bill of sale for "just in case."

Those people pulling with no plates or 'tags applied for' are South Carolinians.  And that is illegal to leave SC on those.  (Not that it isn't done, it just isn't legal).  SC recognizes those as legit for a while IN state, and that 'Tags applied for" is supposed to be a valid dealer plate (dealer/location clearly identified).
 
When we moved back to South Carolina, we had bought a car in PA, but the Temp Transit plates were to expire while visiting relatives in MD.  At the time, we were technically Floridians, but since we had moved back to the States from Germany, we had no 'legal' US address.  MD has temp plates, but only for cars that are bought in MD and being financed.  No transit plates.
 
For us to get the car to SC, we had to register the car in MD, pay the 5% tax AND get plates.
 
Can Birol run on an open title and the original owner's plates in Mass?

[MommaMia]

Just wondered... The seller wanted 10% in 2 days (that would be today)with the balance in 5 days.  Has he offered to extend that until after he gets the title in his hands?  I am just curious as to how communication has been with him.  HIs feedback seems to indicate that he is good about making the customer happy.  Also, is he selling this through his business, or is he doing it as a private party sale?  If it's through the business, is that how he is able to get a title in just a few days as opposed to 6-8 weeks like DMV says?

[MommaMia]

Can Birol run on an open title and the original owner's plates in Mass?

In a word... No.  I spent many hours reading MA DMV (RMV) website yesterday.

[wynot]

Please don't mess with plates that don't belong on it.  I had asked about open title earlier, because in MD you can technically do it - but at least the plates match the vehicle during sale.

Birol isn't just messing with interstate rules for the states, he's dealing with being from another country as well.  Everything has to be above board while in the US, what he chooses to do once within Ontario is his great adventure.

[MommaMia]

Please don't mess with plates that don't belong on it.  I had asked about open title earlier, because in MD you can technically do it - but at least the plates match the vehicle during sale.

Birol isn't just messing with interstate rules for the states, he's dealing with being from another country as well.  Everything has to be above board while in the US, what he chooses to do once within Ontario is his great adventure.

That's why IMO, having someone from CT buy it and get temp plates for it, then turn it over to Birol is the best way to go.  

I hate to think of B getting stopped, halfway to Canada, and having his camper impounded.  Not to mention the fines he would have to pay for misuse of marker plates.

[birol]

He is selling it as a dealer, that is how he can get the title in three days. He is also trying to get a solution to the problem. I sent him the downpayment (100 usd), and we did not discuss the rest yet. We are both trying to close the deal, and I don't think he will insist on full payment if I can not take delivery of the trailer. Spoke with him several times, sounds like a very reasonable person.


I agree that the only way to proceesd is for someone to purchase it, (I asked him if he could do it for me) put license plates on it and turn around and sell it to me. I have to pay another 5% but it is worth it ......

I guess today or tomorrow I will find out how this is going to go ....

I gave up the idea slapping Ontario plates, the consequences could be severe if I get caught in States, and I have no idea how I would take them off before crossing the border .....


I am hoping that either the dealer (best way) or Lee or C's father can do me a favor. Otherwise it is a dead deal ....

[aldebnj]

Birol,

Both times I have purchased trailers, I closed the deal and paid for the trailer by FedEx.  The seller sent me the receipt and title.  I took those to my local DMV and got plates for the trailer before I picked it up.  I also contacted the insurance company and added it to my policy.  When we picked up the trailer, all we had to do was screw the plates on and go.  It was all legal for the road.  Don't know if this will work for you in Canada but it did for me in NJ.
 
First trailer purchase was from NY via e-Bay and the second was from a MA dealer.  I takes some trust to do it this way since you have to totally purchase the trailer sight unseen.
 
Hope this helps and good luck.
 
Al

[birol]

Our DMV (MTO) won't issue me anything before they see the customs import papers



I was checking NewYork states DMV site to obtain a temoprary tag and saw this :

Important information for Massachusetts residents: Massachusetts (MA) does not recognize the NYS in-transit permit. According to the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles, you can receive a ticket for no registration if you use an NYS in-transit permit in MA. This also makes the insurance on the vehicle not valid. MA authorities can impound the vehicle for no valid insurance. For more information, contact the MA Registry of Motor Vehicles.

[birol]

Looks like this is what will happen if I attempt it ...... The NY DMV site says that any vehicle not being driven with no insurance will be impounded. The border to CT is only 16 miles from where the trailer is, but with my luck I would be stopped, I don't need the excitement or the trouble ...

And looks like even if someone buys it for me, that have to register it, and only the they can resell it .... They can't sell it with the temporary license plate as the title will have to be turned to their name first ...

I hate to think of B getting stopped, halfway to Canada, and having his camper impounded.  Not to mention the fines he would have to pay for misuse of marker plates.

[campingboaters]

All I have to say is they don't call Massachusetts TAX-achusetts for nothing!  Their laws are SO prohibitive because they want to get EVERY penny they can out of anyone they can.  How do I know this?  I had a brother living in Massachusetts who CONSTANTLY complained about how expensive it is was living there.

 
As I tell my kids, all ACTIONS have consequences.  YOUR actions as a wonderful person make people here want to help you.  There are SO many people here pulling for you that this WILL happen.  Plus, if this dealer should try to screw you over someohow, there is NO WAY this cyber-community would let him get away with it!  :Z  :eek:

[MommaMia]

B... it says in the listing "Ships Worldwide".  You said that the dealer has sold to other Canadians.  Did he ship them those cars?  How much would it cost for him to ship it?  Less than you renting a U-haul one way?  Have you asked him about shipping it?  Listen,  if having the dealer ship it is at a reasonable cost, why not have him do that.  Even if you have to pay a couple hundred $, it's still a bargain price for the camper.  Especially if you are avoiding registering it in MA or CT. Then you save the registration fee and sales tax you'd have to pay when you registered it.

I would even be willing to put $50 towards the shipping cost.  Someone else had done a good deed last year and paid for last years PUT membership for me.  I see this as my chance to "pay it forward"... my chance to do the good deed.

[birol]

I thought I had mentioned it, the cars he sold to Canadians were carried by flatbed trucks ..... I will call him and ask him how much that costs .....Sigh ...

B... it says in the listing "Ships Worldwide".  You said that the dealer has sold to other Canadians.  Did he ship them those cars?  How much would it cost for him to ship it?  Less than you renting a U-haul one way?  Have you asked him about shipping it?  Listen,  if having the dealer ship it is at a reasonable cost, why not have him do that.  Even if you have to pay a couple hundred $, it's still a bargain price for the camper.  Especially if you are avoiding registering it in MA or CT. Then you save the registration fee and sales tax you'd have to pay when you registered it.

I would even be willing to put $50 towards the shipping cost.  Someone else had done a good deed last year and paid for last years PUT membership for me.  I see this as my chance to "pay it forward"... my chance to do the good deed.

[Miss-Teri]

I wonder if a trucking company with flatbed trailers would be willing to drive it in if they go that way to empty a load then are coming back empty anyway?  Maybe for $50 or so if it won't cost them much extra time or any extra gas since they'll be going that way anyway?

Or even a train that ships vehicles - I wonder what that would cost?

If you could get it all the way to you it might not be anymore than you'd have to pay going to get it yourself in food/gas/lodging.

[birol]

Shipping it one way on a flatbed trailer is around 600 to 700 usd ...... Out of the question. I am trying to make the dealer to purchase it himself and sell it to me with the plates on it.

I wonder if a trucking company with flatbed trailers would be willing to drive it in if they go that way to empty a load then are coming back empty anyway?  Maybe for $50 or so if it won't cost them much extra time or any extra gas since they'll be going that way anyway?

Or even a train that ships vehicles - I wonder what that would cost?

If you could get it all the way to you it might not be anymore than you'd have to pay going to get it yourself in food/gas/lodging.

[Acts 2:38 girl]

OK, Birol - here's the info you need to register it here in CT."
 
 
http://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=810&Q=245094&dmvPNavCtr=|27883|#27884
 
 
Look under the "Used manufactured trailer" part. It's pretty standard, and all it will take here is some time. Sounds like you'll get the title soon enough and we have a "Satellite" office here in Putnam open on Wednesday and Friday from 8am - 6pm. It's about 5 minutes down the road and the wait time is FAST! (under 15 minutes) This would be the perfect time, because Lee's work is slow, so if you want to - Lets do it!!