July24th-28th 2008-Lopez Lake

[griffsdad]

We'll be leaving this morning to camp at Flying Flags in Buellton and then off to Lopez Lake. See everyone there. Dee our prayers are with you.

[Freedom_5]

We'll be leaving this morning to camp at Flying Flags in Buellton and then off to Lopez Lake. See everyone there. Dee our prayers are with you.

 So when are you guys coming into Lopez?

[griffsdad]

So when are you guys coming into Lopez?

Thursday and leaving on Monday.

[BootheBunch]

We'll be leaving this morning to camp at Flying Flags in Buellton and then off to Lopez Lake. See everyone there. Dee our prayers are with you.

Oh, I love Flying Flags!  Have fun!

FOUR more wake-ups for Boothe Bunch!!  We're going on Wednesday (leaving Sun).

Lisa

[cjpoppin]

We'll be coming in on Wed. to Lopez after a short stay at the Beach......we leave Sunday or Monday if our kids can get us a site....We'll see.....Counting the days!
Dee, Love and Hugs......carol

[Dee4j]

I'm so sad I can just throw up....It looks like surgery for me on Monday (90% yes). it is and  up to me to decide... Dan not quite on board...


Carol Thanks again for being there and all your help...feel free to explain when the final decision is made why it was made

I haven't told the kids yet, that we have to cancel the entire trip(they were so excited Dk&3 kids were able to go)

I just called Lopez Wed and changed my reservation as coming in Wed, now I have to call them and cancel :%


along with all my other plans  :%  :%

hopefully I won't miss labor day at pt mugu

[BootheBunch]

I'm so sad I can just throw up....It looks like surgery for me on Monday (90% yes). it is and  up to me to decide... Dan not quite on board...


Carol Thanks again for being there and all your help...feel free to explain when the final decision is made why it was made

I haven't told the kids yet, that we have to cancel the entire trip(they were so excited Dk&3 kids were able to go)

I just called Lopez Wed and changed my reservation as coming in Wed, now I have to call them and cancel :%


along with all my other plans  :%  :%

hopefully I won't miss labor day at pt mugu

Just think....by doing the surgery....your back will heal and be fine...for many, many more years of camping!!  Plus, you can look forward to us drunk calling you!  That's always fun!  :p

But, we will miss all of you...

Lisa

[Freedom_5]

It's just not fair! Sorry!

  You are the life of the party! You have always been camping and to miss this one, well I know you are really sick to your stomach! Like Lisa said, once this is done, then you can go camping again! You won't be in pain and be able to move freely! All positives! So take care! Give us the number so we can drunk call you!

 You will be missed alot! We will say a special prayer for you at the potluck, for a quick procedure and speedy recovery! I will build a bonfire in your honor. We'll take lots of pictures and send them to you on a disk.

[Dee4j]

Just think....by doing the surgery....your back will heal and be fine...for many, many more years of camping!!  Plus, you can look forward to us drunk calling you!  That's always fun!  :p

But, we will miss all of you...

Lisa

this surgery won't "fix" the disc persay it's to "shave" the part that is compressing the nerve that's giving the pain that makes me unable to walk.  I have mucho therpy to do, and i'm having my jaw wired shut and going on a liquid diet to loose weight  :!  ..I say this as I'm about to order breakfast :p

I must say St. Josephs has some really good food with a good variety of foods to choose from..I told Dan when I get home I expect the same quailty of food delivered to me in bed..  ok i can dream can't I...

[OC Campers]

Dee we are so sorry to hear you won't be able to camp with us.  It just won't be the same.  Who is going to bring the "blow torch"?  Brian won't be there either.   Well, maybe with all the fires in that region, it will be ok;) .  

We love you and will miss you!!
 
Jacqui And Randy
 
P.S.  When you are able to reschedule your Nor Cal trip we will have to try and get together.

[griffsmom]

this surgery won't "fix" the disc persay it's to "shave" the part that is compressing the nerve that's giving the pain that makes me unable to walk. I have mucho therpy to do, and i'm having my jaw wired shut and going on a liquid diet to loose weight :! ..I say this as I'm about to order breakfast :p
 
I must say St. Josephs has some really good food with a good variety of foods to choose from..I told Dan when I get home I expect the same quailty of food delivered to me in bed.. ok i can dream can't I...

Well, I guess I will be the lone voice of dissension, but it's only because I love you sistuh!
 
I have to go with Dan on this one. Back surgery, even if it sounds "little" like they're only going to "shave" a small part of your disc is still extremely drastic. And the recovery can be as difficult as a "full blown" back surgery. I don't know if you were able to get a second opinion, but you may want to seriously consider it. Oftentimes, one surgery only leads to another...and another...what Dave and I call the "slippery slope" in our profession, and it is not uncommon for surgery that was supposed to make things better only ends up making things worse.
 
Remember how much I love you when I say this, but I would try the conservative approach of physical therapy and losing weight first. You may find that it lessens the stress on your back to either relieve the pain altogether or if surgery is still necessary, it may be of a lesser degree and your recovery will be easier and quicker. Plus, even if you end up evetually needing surgery in the long run, you'll at least know that you tried everything else first, unlike surgery, which once you have it, you can't go back.
 
I love ya, Dee, and we're all praying for you!!

[griffsdad]

Dee, Lori is no longer the lone dissenter regarding your back surgery. I have been handling personal injury claims from a medical/legal view for almost 25 years. I have never in my experience heard that just one back surgery cured all symptoms. It's multiple surgeries and you're never the same again. As I indicated in my prior post you should get 2nd and 3rd opinions.

We are praying for you and will miss you. Dave

[wavery]

Well, I guess I will be the lone voice of dissension, but it's only because I love you sistuh!
 
I have to go with Dan on this one. Back surgery, even if it sounds "little" like they're only going to "shave" a small part of your disc is still extremely drastic. And the recovery can be as difficult as a "full blown" back surgery. I don't know if you were able to get a second opinion, but you may want to seriously consider it. Oftentimes, one surgery only leads to another...and another...what Dave and I call the "slippery slope" in our profession, and it is not uncommon for surgery that was supposed to make things better only ends up making things worse.
 
Remember how much I love you when I say this, but I would try the conservative approach of physical therapy and losing weight first. You may find that it lessens the stress on your back to either relieve the pain altogether or if surgery is still necessary, it may be of a lesser degree and your recovery will be easier and quicker. Plus, even if you end up evetually needing surgery in the long run, you'll at least know that you tried everything else first, unlike surgery, which once you have it, you can't go back.
 
I love ya, Dee, and we're all praying for you!!

That's sound advise IMO and it is the same reason that I have not had it done.

I've been flat for a week now myself. I get this way whenever I lift something that I know I shouldn't. It hurts like heck (like hot knives in my back and down both legs) but I just can't see taking the risk of surgery though (for me).

I suffer with it for weeks, get back into my exercise routine, get over it (for a few years), stop the exercises then the whole thing starts over again. This has been going on for 30 years now. I go down about once every year or two.

I am now realizing that I cannot stop doing my back exercises again (although I say that each time). Normally, I can build those supporting muscles back up in a week or 10 days. This time, I'm having a little harder time. I guess I crossed over that "Golden threshold"  :p .

Anyway, I have been offered that surgery several times, when I end up hospitalized (about every 6 years). I was given the same advise that Lori gave you and if I would just behave myself, I know that I would be fine.

After I hurt myself a few weeks ago (at the Pt Mugu camp-out), I decided to get some weight off. I've lost about 20# and have about 20 more to go. That and remembering to do my back exercises and I'll be back in shape in no time. I hope that you will be too, whatever you decide to do.

We decided to sell our PU too. We are looking for something a little easier to set-up (Trailmanor). Besides, someone else (who's younger) needs it worse than we do.....

[Dee4j]

Well, I guess I will be the lone voice of dissension, but it's only because I love you sistuh!
 
I have to go with Dan on this one. Back surgery, even if it sounds "little" like they're only going to "shave" a small part of your disc is still extremely drastic. And the recovery can be as difficult as a "full blown" back surgery. I don't know if you were able to get a second opinion, but you may want to seriously consider it. Oftentimes, one surgery only leads to another...and another...what Dave and I call the "slippery slope" in our profession, and it is not uncommon for surgery that was supposed to make things better only ends up making things worse.
 
Remember how much I love you when I say this, but I would try the conservative approach of physical therapy and losing weight first. You may find that it lessens the stress on your back to either relieve the pain altogether or if surgery is still necessary, it may be of a lesser degree and your recovery will be easier and quicker. Plus, even if you end up evetually needing surgery in the long run, you'll at least know that you tried everything else first, unlike surgery, which once you have it, you can't go back.
 
I love ya, Dee, and we're all praying for you!!

I understand your point, I DID get a second opinion from a Dr that was highly recommend by 2 different people..

I spoke at length with cjpoppin and 2 of my nurse friends...

If I don't have the surgery I will have to me moved to a long term rehab facility..I CAN NOT walk . I am using a Potty chair next to my bed. the PT today got me standing and walked a few feet with a walker...Still on IV narcotics with pain levels reaching to a level 8 at 9 I start crying and 10 I wail and do birthing breathing

the 2nd opinion Dr did not look at my chart as to have an independnt decision. He looked at my current MRI I had Friday and I showed him my MRI from June 23rd and the herniation has gotten worse.

he feels I'm a good candidate for surgery. studies also have found that those who have surgery and those who don't EVENTUALLY will have the same outcome..without surgery it will take 1-3 years, he personally took 3 years and he still has weakness in his big toe.. he would also be perscribing me triple dose narcotics.

after surgery, my leg pain will go away, but I will now have back pain for awhile
after surgery. but at least after a few weeks I can go places and do things...my life of lifting 50 lb speakers is over or anything else heavy for that matter. bending over is not good either...so I was at harbor freight (killing time:yikes:)
I bought one of those gopher grabbing tools , caus I swear I have dropped more stuff on he floor the last couple of weeks than I have in an entire year

[dkutz]

I understand your point, I DID get a second opinion from a Dr that was highly recommend by 2 different people..

I spoke at length with cjpoppin and 2 of my nurse friends...

If I don't have the surgery I will have to me moved to a long term rehab facility..I CAN NOT walk . I am using a Potty chair next to my bed. the PT today got me standing and walked a few feet with a walker...Still on IV narcotics with pain levels reaching to a level 8 at 9 I start crying and 10 I wail and do birthing breathing

the 2nd opinion Dr did not look at my chart as to have an independnt decision. He looked at my current MRI I had Friday and I showed him my MRI from June 23rd and the herniation has gotten worse.

he feels I'm a good candidate for surgery. studies also have found that those who have surgery and those who don't EVENTUALLY will have the same outcome..without surgery it will take 1-3 years, he personally took 3 years and he still has weakness in his big toe.. he would also be perscribing me triple dose narcotics.

after surgery, my leg pain will go away, but I will now have back pain for awhile
after surgery. but at least after a few weeks I can go places and do things...my life of lifting 50 lb speakers is over or anything else heavy for that matter. bending over is not good either...so I was at harbor freight (killing time:yikes:)
I bought one of those gopher grabbing tools , caus I swear I have dropped more stuff on he floor the last couple of weeks than I have in an entire year

Yikes!!  I can't tell you what you should do.  All I can say is do what YOU think is best.  And do things when your done to help yourself to get better, PT, exercise, weight loss  what ever it takes.

Lopez will live without you, but its hard to make a trailer wheel chair accessible!

Take care!!

Dieter