exterior propane outlet

[oneway]

Exterior propane outlet
Has anyone tried to use it for a lantern

I did and the pressure is to low to use, so out comes owner manual and find out its low pressure, ok..... can or should I modify that to be able to use it for other uses such as  regular campstoves,lanterns, BBQs etc.. I did not get an exterior stove with my pop up.

 It would be nice to hook up a hose to propane outlet on the side to use.
 Any thoughts ?
            Thanks Mike

[flyfisherman]

In my case it's very simple ... I just carry an extra propane bottle! What I use it for is the Coleman outdoor cook stove and the Mr.Buddy Heater.

Now what you should be doing ... like a real camper ... is using one of those old timey gas lanterns that use the Coleman fuel. Don't you like the way it lights (?) ... KAAWOOOOOF! (LOL)



Fly

[oneway]

8 tracks , pagers , atari , Coleman fuel,
 funny! yah I still have Coleman fuel lanterns stoves and no eyebrows lol

I do have an extra tank that I drag along
and when I get a truck,
room will not be an issue.

oh man!!!  those leaky starters in them lanterns scared the heck out of me.
I dont miss pumping them up either.
or filling them up.

[tlhdoc]

I love my white gas lantern and the whoosh that goes with it.  I also love my 2 white gas stoves.  I have a 2 and a 3 burner stoves.

[chasd60]

Propane has a pretty high vapor pressure. It could be risky running that kind of pressure under your camper unregulated. It is 172PSIG at 100F
Souirce: http://www.propanecarbs.com/propane.html
 

[beacher]

There is something odd there!

The 2003 GTE Monterey is one of the fortunate models that does indeed come plumbed from the factory with a high pressure exterior propane connection.

I have a 2004 GTE Niagara.  I have used an extension hose for a Weber GoAnywhere grill, a portable campfire, and a hanging lantern.  It works every time.

If your connection is delivering low pressure, there might be a problem with the red pressure regulator that feeds that line.  Or, perhaps your line is contaminated?

[tlhdoc]

I checked my 2003 1/2 brochure and the Monterey did come with the high pressure outdoor stove.

[AustinBoston]

There is something odd there!

The 2003 GTE Monterey is one of the fortunate models that does indeed come plumbed from the factory with a high pressure exterior propane connection.

I have a 2004 GTE Niagara.  I have used an extension hose for a Weber GoAnywhere grill, a portable campfire, and a hanging lantern.  It works every time.

If your connection is delivering low pressure, there might be a problem with the red pressure regulator that feeds that line.  Or, perhaps your line is contaminated?

The issue here is the difference between High Pressure (about 10 PSI, IIRC), Low Pressure (about 2 PSI), and Unregulated (about 150-200 PSI, depending on temperature).  Since the OP was asking about using a lantern, they are talking about Unregulated pressure.

Austin

[flyfisherman]

Well, I tried to tell him to go with the old timey Coleman white gas lantern, but "nnoooooooooo!"

Well, anyway, if you were going to use a seperate tank and hook the propane lantern directly to it would you not use one of those safety distribution posts, and does that not have a regulator on it ...?  One of our fishing members has one. I see Cabelas has something like it in their cataloge ... part # IH-510724
in case anyone's interested.



Fly

[oneway]

Then is it safe to say that all propane equipment that uses a screw on bottle operate at a higher pressure than the trailers regulated high pressure?
Maybe something is pinched ?
 I hooked a camp stove up to it and the flame was very low and it took forever to cook so I changed it to a bottle and it worked fine? I really dont have to use it but since it was thier what the heck.

[beacher]

The issue here is the difference between High Pressure (about 10 PSI, IIRC), Low Pressure (about 2 PSI), and Unregulated (about 150-200 PSI, depending on temperature).  Since the OP was asking about using a lantern, they are talking about Unregulated pressure.

The common 1lb disposable propane canisters generally deliver their goods at around 10 PSI.  A 20lb, 30lb, propane storage cylinder delivers it's gas at an unregulated 150-200 PSI.  Propane lanterns work at around 10 PSI when they are cranked all the way up at their highest setting.

The "high pressure" exterior propane outlet that is common to the Grand Tour, Grand Tour Elite, and the new 2008 Americana models delivers it's propane at approximately 10 PSI, (just like a disposable 1lb canister).  That is why it's connector is threaded exactly like the 1" threads found on a disposable 1lb canister.  Using an extension hose you can connect any propane appliance that normally operates using simple and common disposable propane canisters.

The propane gas pressure delivered to the exterior propane outlet is regulated by a dedicated 2nd RED-colored regulator, (Coleman/Fleetwood models with this exterior "high pressure" connector have TWO regulators connected to the unregulated 100-200 PSI 20-30lb storage tanks normally on the tongue of the trailer).

Nothing on a Coleman/Fleetwood trailer operates directly from the unregulated 150-200 PSI pressure delivered directly from the 20-30lb tanks on the tongue.  All the interior appliances, (furnace, water heater, inside stove), are regulated to about 2 PSI, and the one exterior connection is regulated to about 10 PSI, using two separate regulators.

If you own a Destiny, Highlander prior to 2008 model year, or any other brand of PopUp you most likely only have one pressure regulator for the entire interior and exterior system, with all propane gas delivered at around 2 PSI.  And, your exterior propane connection is a quick disconnect, instead of the 1" threaded connector found on disposable propane canisters.

[AustinBoston]

The common 1lb disposable propane canisters generally deliver their goods at around 10 PSI.  A 20lb, 30lb, propane storage cylinder delivers it's gas at an unregulated 150-200 PSI.  Propane lanterns work at around 10 PSI when they are cranked all the way up at their highest setting.

This is not true.

While propane lanterns do work at about 10 PSI, that is because they have their own regulator.  A 1-lb tank does not have a regulator, and therefore can onyl maintain LP in a liquid state if the bottle's internal pressure is between 150-200 PSI.  Without a regulator, the internal pressure is the pressure it is delivered at.

The "high pressure" exterior propane outlet that is common to the Grand Tour, Grand Tour Elite, and the new 2008 Americana models delivers it's propane at approximately 10 PSI, (just like a disposable 1lb canister).

I connected a 1-lb bottle to my outside stove once because I thought the hose might be clogged.  The stove shot flames out at least two feet, because the pressure was many times what was normal for the "High Pressure" outlet.  I knew what I was doing and got what I expected.

Yes, I have a Grand Tour Elite (2000 Bayside), the threaded outlet is labeled "High Pressure," and my tank has a dual regulator with the "High Pressure" outlet T'd off between the two regulators.  The stove itself is also clearly labeled "High Pressure," but will create an extremely hazardous situation if connected directly to a 1-lb. propane bottle.

That is why it's connector is threaded exactly like the 1" threads found on a disposable 1lb canister.  Using an extension hose you can connect any propane appliance that normally operates using simple and common disposable propane canisters.

You are going to get someone seriously hurt with that advice.  I don't know why it is threaded the same, but the pressure is NOT the same.  While the discussion is mainly about using devices designed for 1-lb bottles on the "High Pressure" outlet, someone is going to think they can go the other way around, with potential tragic results.

The propane gas pressure delivered to the exterior propane outlet is regulated by a dedicated 2nd RED-colored regulator, (Coleman/Fleetwood models with this exterior "high pressure" connector have TWO regulators connected to the unregulated 100-200 PSI 20-30lb storage tanks normally on the tongue of the trailer).

Nothing on a Coleman/Fleetwood trailer operates directly from the unregulated 150-200 PSI pressure delivered directly from the 20-30lb tanks on the tongue.  All the interior appliances, (furnace, water heater, inside stove), are regulated to about 2 PSI, and the one exterior connection is regulated to about 10 PSI, using two separate regulators.

If you own a Destiny, Highlander prior to 2008 model year, or any other brand of PopUp you most likely only have one pressure regulator for the entire interior and exterior system, with all propane gas delivered at around 2 PSI.  And, your exterior propane connection is a quick disconnect, instead of the 1" threaded connector found on disposable propane canisters.

I don't see anything wrong with the rest of your post.  

Austin

[beacher]

....

You are going to get someone seriously hurt with that advice.  I don't know why it is threaded the same, but the pressure is NOT the same.  While the discussion is mainly about using devices designed for 1-lb bottles on the "High Pressure" outlet, someone is going to think they can go the other way around, with potential tragic results.



I don't see anything wrong with the rest of your post.  

Austin

Golly gee Austin, thanks.  I had a lapse in brain power late at night when I typed that the gas coming out of a 1lb disposable cylinder is 10PSI.  That is wrong.

However, I have connected my REGULATED lantern, REGULATED portable campfire fire, and my REGULATED Weber Go-Anywhere grill to the exterior propane connector.  Any REGULATED device or appliance that normally works fine with a disposable canister will work if connected to the external high pressure threaded connector with an extension hose.

Man, I'd hate to get someone seriously hurt with my advice! :yikes:

Disclaimer:  Do not listen to me, my advice, or anything else written by me on this thread.  It is all my personal opinion based on experience in the field.  It may be partially right or completely wrong, (especially the parts about PSI)!  And you really shouldn't believe anything you read on the internet anyway.  Research your propane connections and problems with a licensed and qualified professional before attempting to operate , connect, or use them.  Just because something may have worked for me, it probably won't for you.  Oh, and please don't get hurt playing with fire!

[oneway]

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[CajunCamper]

I love my white gas lantern and the whoosh that goes with it.  I also love my 2 white gas stoves.  I have a 2 and a 3 burner stoves.

I'm with you tlhdoc, I use the same white gas Coleman Lantern and Stove my dad bought about 40 years ago. They work great. I think of my dad everytime we use them.