Pop up with shower and toilet & gas mileage

[jbb]

I am considering purchasing the Fleetwood Williamsburg or the Fleetwood saratoga.  However, not sure now with the recent news about Fleetwood selling off.  What other mfg's provide similar pop ups with showers and toilet would the group suggest.  

As for the fleetwoods,  I am leaning toward williamsburg b/c it is lighter and a little cheaper.  would there be a noticeable difference in towing gas mileage between the lighter williamsburg and the saratoga.  I drive a landcruiser so I am already getting crappy mpg.  

TIA.

[austinado16]

I think your mileage while towing is going to poor, no matter what camper you get in that size range.  Sure, it might be a little better with the lighter one, probably not by much unless you're talking about a big weight difference.....and not just a few hundred pounds.

Buy the camper you really want and enjoy it.  Keep the camper tires aired up at their max (probably 80psi), keep your TV tires aired up to nearly their max or to their max rating, keep your speed down and you'll get about as good a mileage as you're gonna get considering the ill effect the ethanol in our fuel has on gas mileage.

[jbb]

Thanks.

[MomboTN]

I am considering purchasing the Fleetwood Williamsburg or the Fleetwood saratoga.  However, not sure now with the recent news about Fleetwood selling off.  What other mfg's provide similar pop ups with showers and toilet would the group suggest.  

As for the fleetwoods,  I am leaning toward williamsburg b/c it is lighter and a little cheaper.  would there be a noticeable difference in towing gas mileage between the lighter williamsburg and the saratoga.  I drive a landcruiser so I am already getting crappy mpg.  

TIA.

I have a Coleman (fleetwood) Niagra which is on the large size.  When I tow it, I loose about 1.5 mpg.  I would get what you want w/o using gas mileage as a factor.

[jbb]

I have a Coleman (fleetwood) Niagra which is on the large size.  When I tow it, I loose about 1.5 mpg.  I would get what you want w/o using gas mileage as a factor.

I am looking at the Saratoga which is in the same group as yours just a little smaller.   Are you pleased with the shower and toilet?  What are you towing with?

[spicyville1]

Everyone's needs are different. My pup made the most sense to me when I was considering a pup and you can get almost any amenity you would like to have in one. Mine has all I would ever need. Toilet, shower, radio and with mine, a lot of space. It is 28' opened. Gotta have my space too ya know! LOL

[MomboTN]

I am looking at the Saratoga which is in the same group as yours just a little smaller.   Are you pleased with the shower and toilet?  What are you towing with?

I pull with a Ford Expedition w/ the 5.4L engine and electric brakes.  I go to the bath house but the wife and daughter love not having to go out in the middle of the night.  We don't use the shower but don't have a reason.  The places we camp have nice bath houses.  We don't use the AC much either.  They are nice to have when needed but I don't like to hear the AC and don't mind the walk to take a shower.
Good luck with your new vacation home.

[tlhdoc]

I am looking at the Saratoga which is in the same group as yours just a little smaller. Are you pleased with the shower and toilet? What are you towing with?

The Coleman Niagara is the current Fleetwood Williamsburg, not the high sided Fleetwood Niagara that is sold now.

[jbb]

The Coleman Niagara is the current Fleetwood Williamsburg, not the high sided Fleetwood Niagara that is sold now.

Please elaborate. . .

[jbb]

I pull with a Ford Expedition w/ the 5.4L engine and electric brakes.  I go to the bath house but the wife and daughter love not having to go out in the middle of the night.  We don't use the shower but don't have a reason.  The places we camp have nice bath houses.  We don't use the AC much either.  They are nice to have when needed but I don't like to hear the AC and don't mind the walk to take a shower.
Good luck with your new vacation home.

In light of the subsequent post re coleman niagra v. fleetwood niagra, do you have the highside niagra?

[MomboTN]

In light of the subsequent post re coleman niagra v. fleetwood niagra, do you have the highside niagra?

No mine is a 2000 model.  I am heading out with it in a couple hours for a checkout night.

[tlhdoc]

Please elaborate. . .

Coleman and Fleetwood have used the same model names on may different trailers over the years.  Coleman never made any high sided trailers, so a Coleman Niagara is a low sided trailer, like the current Williamsburg.  Not a high sided trailer like the the current Saratoga.  The Niagara had been the top of the line Coleman and Fleetwood trailer model for years, but it was a low sided trailer up through 2004.  In 2005 Fleetwood put the name Niagara on one of the high sided trailers and did not have a floor plan like the current Williamsburg trailer (the old Niagara floor plan).  In 2006 fleetwood brought the floor plan back and called the trailer the Williamsburg.

[wavery]

Coleman and Fleetwood have used the same model names on may different trailers over the years.  Coleman never made any high sided trailers, so a Coleman Niagara is a low sided trailer, like the current Williamsburg.  Not a high sided trailer like the the current Saratoga.  The Niagara had been the top of the line Coleman and Fleetwood trailer model for years, but it was a low sided trailer up through 2004.  In 2005 Fleetwood put the name Niagara on one of the high sided trailers and did not have a floor plan like the current Williamsburg trailer (the old Niagara floor plan).  In 2006 fleetwood brought the floor plan back and called the trailer the Williamsburg.

I don't understand why they do that. I have a 2002 Tacoma and the new PU that Fleetwood just brought out is a 14' box with no bunk-ends and they call that a "Tacoma"  :eyecrazy:

[tlhdoc]

I don't understand why they do that. I have a 2002 Tacoma and the new PU that Fleetwood just brought out is a 14' box with no bunk-ends and they call that a "Tacoma" :eyecrazy:

Coleman and Fleetwood have both done this with the PU campers.  To know what a floor plan is, you have to know the model and the year it was built.

[McCampers]

Coleman and Fleetwood have used the same model names on may different trailers over the years.  Coleman never made any high sided trailers, so a Coleman Niagara is a low sided trailer, like the current Williamsburg.  Not a high sided trailer like the the current Saratoga.  The Niagara had been the top of the line Coleman and Fleetwood trailer model for years, but it was a low sided trailer up through 2004.  In 2005 Fleetwood put the name Niagara on one of the high sided trailers and did not have a floor plan like the current Williamsburg trailer (the old Niagara floor plan).  In 2006 fleetwood brought the floor plan back and called the trailer the Williamsburg.

Of which I have one.  It's a nice floor plan, but I wish I had the gray and black water holding tanks.  That is the only extra I really would love to have.  You have to get into a highlander to have those extras though.  nearly double the price of your camper as well.  A couple years and they will be pretty inexpensive in the used papers.