not sure if you knew

[wiininkwe]

Just thought I'd mention in case you weren't aware...
Last night after we were informed of Birol's continued banning, our own mild mannered Cindy, Mommamia, was sooooo upset that she sent out a post that was more than a little inflammatory.   As a result, she has now been blocked as well.   Didn't want anyone to think she was ill or anything when they don't hear from her anymore.
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[SkipP]

Just thought I'd mention in case you weren't aware...
Last night after we were informed of Birol's continued banning, our own mild mannered Cindy, Mommamia, was sooooo upset that she sent out a post that was more than a little inflammatory. As a result, she has now been blocked as well. Didn't want anyone to think she was ill or anything when they don't hear from her anymore.
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This is a little unsettling from a few fronts! I didn't see Cindy's post but can't imagine what got her to get so riled that she became so upset as to get blocked. If it were because of Birol.... I dunno.... how could that be? His getting banned (temporarily or permanently) rests squarely on his shoulders..... no one elses.
 
A couple of our members (past and present) have been inexorably tied together because of some recent strife. This is, of course, Birol and Bearbait .... as mentioned in a recent thread. I'm not so sure that this is fair beyond the mere names in a Header...... perhaps the only commonality they share. As individuals, each person should be responsible for their own, individual, actions.
 
Plain and simple. As adults, this should be easy...taking responsibility for ones actions is the right thing to do. To blame one person for a second person's actions is to relieve the second person of their responsibilities.
 
If Birol was banned (temporarily or permanently) and Cindy is now banned (temporarily or permanently), they are each responsible for the actions that caused this. No one else.
 
I hate to see anyone leave.

[tlhdoc]

our own mild mannered Cindy, Mommamia, .

I think she must have you fooled.

This is my opinion.

[Kelly]

Plain and simple. As adults, this should be easy...taking responsibility for ones actions is the right thing to do. To blame one person for a second person's actions is to relieve the second person of their responsibilities.
 
If Birol was banned (temporarily or permanently) and Cindy is now banned (temporarily or permanently), they are each responsible for the actions that caused this. No one else.
 
I hate to see anyone leave.

Couldn't agree more, Skip.

This shouldn't be a contest ... or a war.  It should be about a bunch o' people concerned about PUT and what goes on in OUR community, plain and simple.  It's Dave's board ~ he gets to make the rules AND enforce them, whether we agree with them or not.  We agreed to that when we signed on.

I don't think I can add anything more that hasn't already been said ~ except that I love PUT, the place that it has in my life and all the people I have met here.  I look forward to spending some good quality time with ALL of you ...
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[garym053]

Could not have worded it any better, SkipP & Kelly!

[Camperroo]

hey what's happening 'round here.  I didn't notice any post last night about Birol's continued banning and I certainly didn't see Cindy's post.  I felt like I was never off the computer last night 'cause I was feeling crummy and just kept stopping bye the site as entertainment and seemed to have missed all this?   Could someone fill me in on what happened?  I have found Cindy to be of great help and kindness toward me in our plans to move to FL, I'd hate to see her banned long-term.  If anyone knows her email address please PM me.  Thanks!

[Used 2B PopUPTimes]

Maybe I should post the email she sent tearing me a new one and then finsihing by saying CANCEL MY SUBSCRIBPTION!

[Camperroo]

Maybe I should post the email she sent tearing me a new one and then finsihing by saying CANCEL MY SUBSCRIBPTION!

Admin...you have to be a little more professional and objective than that!!  Your post disappoints me as you should be able to raise yourself up to a higher standard than the rest of us...after all your the admin!!!    As a business you have to get use to someone eventually having a tirade but being customer service oriented, you have to go back to what this person is all about and has contributed to your business.  A cooling off maybe.  

I'd like to know what the heck is going on.  Personally, the thread on Birol went on too long.   I think anything that gets that too personal and private and full of emotional despair such as Birol's was, should be locked stating simply that the issue is becoming far too personal than should be posted on the forum and members are welcome to email the poster if they want to stay in touch with the subject at hand.  Now that's JUST a suggestion...

Sorry if you got torn into, I don't know what transpired except to hear it doesn't sound pleasant, but she's probably very caught up in Birol situation and emotions just boiled over.  I hope everyone calms down and this gets back to the PUT board of quality that I first came upon 4 yrs. ago....

[debbiedee1957]

Dave (admin) is getting fed up (sick & tired) of this NONsense.  Hopefully we can get back "on topic" and put all of this behind us.  Otherwise it is going to be a looooooooooooooooooooooong winter.

[chasd60]

Camp On!!!!!

[dee106]

can we please get off this topic, and back to camping topics, this is getting old, and is getting to be a bed sore.

[DiW]

Am I the only one that feels like I'm back in middle school? I just wish everyone would lighten up and stop antagonizing/fighting. Our board would have less problems if we just let things roll and not jump on everyone - how about we try to just ignore the bait? This is the same technique that I try to use at my family's get togethers or else it seems we're all at each others' throats, while my brother (who starts the mess) just sits back and laughs at everyone.

In any case, rather than b....ing about those that were banned, give them a call or an email. If you're such good friends, you can easily continue to keep in touch. Birol emailed me yesterday and for those that care, he's doing fine. My daughter would like to keep in touch with his daughter. Some of us have been on PUT for many years and still keep in touch, even though many of the original members have left for one reason or another. I'm glad to see some of them returning.

Ok, I'm off to Boston now so hopefully all will be calm when I return.

Diane

[Popupper]

I've witnesses a lot of arguments on these forums over the years and this one has escalated into what seems to be one of the worst yet. Personally I don't mind Birol's exit, I rarely read his silly posts or those of several others.

I have noticed Dave doesn't post much anymore unless there's a conflict. I'll bet it's because he's tired of it all. I give him until the end of the year and he'll pull the plug.

[chasd60]

Dave doesn't want to pull any plugs but I'll bet times like these are very trying. His business is the magazine and he added boards a long time ago so subscribers and non-subscribers would have a place to congregate and share info.
   
 The original boards were pretty close to the busiest on the web at the time. He responded to complaints about connectivity issues and speed by upgrading time and time again. He finally got to the point where his cost for paying for the bandwidth was compromising the magazine as a business and had to charge for the boards. He took a lot of guff from people for charging. They were in reality giving him a hard time for not paying for them to use the boards.
   
   He did say he wished the boards were fun like they used to be.
   
   Don't you all think he deserves a big hand for keeping this up through all of this and things in the past??
   
   
   I say cheers to Dave for persevering and keeping these boards going...
   :!
   Thanks Dave!!!

[NightOwl]

Dave doesn't want to pull any plugs but I'll bet times like these are very trying. His business is the magazine and he added boards a long time ago so subscribers and non-subscribers would have a place to congregate and share info.
   
 The original boards were pretty close to the busiest on the web at the time. He responded to complaints about connectivity issues and speed by upgrading time and time again. He finally got to the point where his cost for paying for the bandwidth was compromising the magazine as a business and had to charge for the boards. He took a lot of guff from people for charging. They were in reality giving him a hard time for not paying for them to use the boards.
   
   He did say he wished the boards were fun like they used to be.
   
   Don't you all think he deserves a big hand for keeping this up through all of this and things in the past??
   
   
   I say cheers to Dave for persevering and keeping these boards going...
   :!
   Thanks Dave!!!

 
 "He did say he wished the boards were fun like they used to be. "   I am sure this is a statement everyone could agree with  :yikes:
 
 And  by the way, Charlie, it is "persevering"  :J