California PUP Owners, DMV Info Needed

[Camping Coxes]

Here was my sister's response to me.  I'm arguing with her because of the verbiage about tent trailers.  I'll let you know any new responses I get from her.
 
BTW Kim, she works at our DMV.
 
"Wow, now heres a good one Trina.  Those are still considered Camp trailers  & are on a regular registration.  Ok, I'm a nice guy and if I see one registarted wrong I dont say anything; I just pick up the $20 but I do know the difference because I used to have one.  Camp trailers have to be registered every year and not subject to Planned Non-operations(they cant have it).  PTI's are for trailers/carriers and not human habitation.  Key word is Human Habitation."

[wavery]

Here was my sister's response to me.  I'm arguing with her because of the verbiage about tent trailers.  I'll let you know any new responses I get from her.
 
BTW Kim, she works at our DMV.
 
"Wow, now heres a good one Trina.  Those are still considered Camp trailers  & are on a regular registration.  Ok, I'm a nice guy and if I see one registarted wrong I dont say anything; I just pick up the $20 but I do know the difference because I used to have one.  Camp trailers have to be registered every year and not subject to Planned Non-operations(they cant have it).  PTI's are for trailers/carriers and not human habitation.  Key word is Human Habitation."

I'm sorry but she is just wrong. It's hard to believe that she even read the DMV Rules....

The rule clearly states, "Camp trailers are subject to PTI". :banghead:

[Weber Grill]

I'm sorry but she is just wrong. It's hard to believe that she even read the DMV Rules....

The rule clearly states, "Camp trailers are subject to PTI". :banghead:

Wavery,

Thank you. This was the same explanation I first received. They asked me 'can you sleep in it?' I said yes, and their response was that it is not subject to PTI. Well, that is when the blood pressure (and voice) began to rise. I am amazed that the DMV clerks can get away with what they do, if I didn't have the copy of the code with me  :book: , I wouldn't have made it this far.

As I mentioned earlier, I DID e-mail the Governor and also if anyone is from the San Diego area, I left a voice mail for "Turko" who is a reporter on one of the local news stations, he helps try to get to the bottom of very obvious problems where us commom folk need a hand.

Thanks again for all of your input and support in this matter.  :yikes:

[boncrab]

Here's how we had to register. The verbage someone had as a quote says " that does not exceed 16 feet in overall length from the foremost point of the trailer hitch to the rear extremity of the trailer body and does not exceed 96 inches in width" so our trailer from the tip of the tongue to the bumper is 17' in length and requires annual registration. This year the registration was $60.00, IIRC three years ago it was $70.00.

Our trailer is a 1997 Jayco Jay 1208. It was the only year our floorplan was made and sold. Same floorplan as the Jayco Eagle FK of the same year.

[wavery]

I'm starting to smell a rat here.

I wonder how many PU owners are being forced to pay these kind of fees. I smell a class action brewing. :mad:

California DMV is famous for collecting fraudulent fees.

[Camping Coxes]

I'm sorry but she is just wrong. It's hard to believe that she even read the DMV Rules....
 
The rule clearly states, "Camp trailers are subject to PTI". :banghead:

I don't think she did read the code, she just stated what she does when she gets someone at her window.  
 
Hey guys, AAA puts the trailers on the PTI.  Might be worth one person in the family joining for the year after year savings!

[aw738]

I have a question. I have heard that the individual counties issue drivers licences in CA. I this correct? My DGF works in state government and when she tries to get DMV info from CA she says it is a real pain because each county that issues licenses do not share their information very easily. This seems like an odd way for it to be set up.

[wavery]

I have a question. I have heard that the individual counties issue drivers licences in CA. I this correct? My DGF works in state government and when she tries to get DMV info from CA she says it is a real pain because each county that issues licenses do not share their information very easily. This seems like an odd way for it to be set up.

Not true. :sombraro:

[Freedom_5]

Here is my two cents to add in here. When we went shopping for our pu, we were told by both the salesman and then at AAA that because the our tent trailer did not have a "bathroom" it was considered just a "camping trailer" as you have describe in post's before with the DMV code. Take a poll to see if our fellow campers like us & Trina and any one else who have the PTI license plates, have potties.
  A final note, Im with AAA and believe me, they save you time, frustration, and you don't have to wait in long lines! Also very cool tour books.

[wavery]

Post #5 shows the entire code (as far as I know). I couldn't find anything about toilets in there.

Do you know any other code that is involved? I couldn't find one. I'm thinking that individual DMV employees are making their own interpretations or it could be that they are being trained to make these decisions. Either way, it's simply wrong.

However, they won't do anything about it unless they get hit with a class action law suit. That's the only way that they would stop forcing people to pay an illegal $300 EPA fee when bringing a car into Ca from out-of-state. The courts even told DMV to stop and they refused. It took a class action suit to do the trick. DMV had to refund millions of dollars in illegally collected fees. Ca DMV is a classic example of government with too much power, gone out of control IMO.

[cjpoppin]

We have PTI Lic. and no bathroom........

[kimrb266]

Both of our PUP's had toilets and we had PTI.

[TheViking]

Not to add to the confusion but,  when I moved here 3 years ago and had to license my pop-up, the DMV lady told me, and I quote "You will be issued permanant plates that will renew every 5 years"  I said ooook?:confused:  
 
 
To me it seemed that if it were a trailer you could not write off as a second home on your taxes, you could get PTI tags.  I could not write off my pop-up because, as my tax guy said it doesn't have a bathroom, meaning toilet, shower, sink, etc.
 
California is odd, I still can't figure out why if you own a boat or a jet ski you pay property taxes on it.

[OC Campers]

We have the cassette potty/shower combo and have PTI tags.

Jacqui

[TheViking]

We have the cassette potty/shower combo and have PTI tags.
 
Jacqui

But, you can't walk right into it, like a TT or a Hybrid.  I think that makes the difference